Ep. 210 "Legos" (2:2 Diary Entry with JD Brosius)

[00:00:00] All right and happy Tuesday diary listeners. This is the second part of our time with JD

[00:00:07] Brocious and I'm dubbing this diary entry Legos and you'll see why it's pretty awesome.

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[00:00:48] Lalalala.

[00:00:55] There's no settings that I put into play.

[00:00:59] But no, I like all that stuff, you know, like those little ticks, those,

[00:01:04] you know, even when your peas pop, you know. Yeah.

[00:01:08] I do a lot of lip smacking when I'm articulating.

[00:01:13] All that stuff, I think it's really great. I think it's awesome.

[00:01:17] Well, okay, so. Side track.

[00:01:22] No, it was good. It was really good. It was important. Important side track.

[00:01:29] Okay, so how did you go about things? I mean, did you build a portfolio? Did you take pictures?

[00:01:36] How did that look? You know, how did you grow that way since we're talking about like now

[00:01:41] moving into more of the, you know, because we were in the transition period, the like

[00:01:48] Renaissance of tattooing where it went from coil old school, you know,

[00:01:55] traditional tattooing into more of the artistic realm. So I guess how did that look, you know,

[00:02:01] for you? So I, you know, I did as everybody else did and took pictures of all my stuff and then

[00:02:09] to Walmart or CVS, I went and had them printed out and stuffed in a photo album or whatever, you know.

[00:02:21] I'll do that so much anymore. No, no. I think the last time I did that was probably about

[00:02:30] five years ago where I actually printed out photos and put them together and

[00:02:35] now I can just like any of us can just like there's some

[00:02:41] Shutterfly is great for making a book. Yeah, yeah. So my first year of tattooing, I made a book.

[00:02:51] Oh, wow. And I do like when people come in and want to see my work or whatever, you know what I

[00:03:00] mean? I always hand them that book. I was like, this is my first year, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:03:05] If you like that one, you'll like this one. Yeah.

[00:03:10] But I made extra copies of it and I gave them to my parents. So that's awesome. Yeah. So

[00:03:17] that's rad. Did your dad like, you know, once you got up and rolling, did he like really

[00:03:22] enjoy it? Yeah, he won't get tattooed but he brags about it.

[00:03:31] This is my son. He does all this. Yeah, that's awesome. She called up and she talked to him.

[00:03:39] My mom does it too for political campaigns like if she sees somebody who is wanting art for their

[00:03:46] either their logos or something like that. She's like you should contact my daughter.

[00:03:50] She's an artist and I'm like,

[00:03:53] I don't know if I'm going to be able to help them that well. I mean maybe,

[00:03:58] I'm sure they'll have options beyond me.

[00:04:03] Not good at putting somebody's name between some bars in the American flag.

[00:04:10] Hey, it depends. I mean, I'd have to hear it. I'd have to see what they want

[00:04:19] but I will say this that it's a hard thing with that medium because it can be rebranded.

[00:04:27] I think the beautiful thing about tattooing is that you have to be so emphatic

[00:04:32] that dude, once we do this, there's no undoing it. No undoing it. So, you know, unlike a rebrand

[00:04:41] where we can go over a logo and pick it apart and change it and whatnot, this is it bro. Like

[00:04:48] do or die, get busy living with this or not but like I think it's sometimes easier when you're

[00:04:57] like okay, you know, is this the thing for me and then you make a decision or you don't like your

[00:05:05] dad. Like I'm not getting tattooed but I can admire the craft. You know, what you get first?

[00:05:12] Yeah, it's not for everybody. I get that. I get plenty of people that come in with their

[00:05:17] significant others or you know, like mom coming in with daughter and she's just curious that

[00:05:28] she wants to see how it's actually done and there's plenty of that kind of stuff. It's not for

[00:05:33] everybody. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. Different level of support. No, I agree. That's how

[00:05:40] it is at my church too. They're just like, oh, you know, I could never. I'm like, well,

[00:05:45] the fortunate thing is nobody is telling you have to. I have never, never gone up to somebody and said,

[00:05:56] you know what you should do? Get a tattoo. You should get your face tattooed. Never did it.

[00:06:01] Never did it. They come to me. I mean, generally that's what we tell people when they come in

[00:06:09] the door at the shop. Oh, you get your face tattooed. Oh no, no, no. Oh no, no, no, no.

[00:06:22] Very cool. So you did a lot of lettering and a lot of things like that. Yeah.

[00:06:29] Yeah. Yeah. So I was there like three, three years, four years. Right on.

[00:06:44] Yeah. And you know, things just kind of got out of control with some other people that worked

[00:06:51] there and I don't want to like talk about it or anything like that. But there were things going

[00:06:58] yeah. I mean, you just me being held in a certain standard and then other people were just

[00:07:05] doing whatever the fuck they wanted to do. And yeah, but you know, Jake and Todd, we'd have an

[00:07:15] art night every week and Jake and Todd were here every fucking week. The people I worked with

[00:07:24] couldn't be bothered. You know what I mean? Yeah. So yeah, one night they were here and they're like,

[00:07:32] you know, of course I'm being E or and I'm like,

[00:07:39] there's stuff going on and you know, and they're both like, well, hey, it's funny you mentioned

[00:07:48] this because we've been talking. We think it'd be really cool and fun for you to come work

[00:07:54] with us. Well, nerve battles and shit. Like I'm not even gonna think about this. Give me like

[00:08:04] two months and I'm there. Right. Let me clear out my fucking schedule and I'll be there.

[00:08:10] Right. Very cool. That's what I did. How did that go? Did you have a decent exit? Did it

[00:08:18] get really heated? No, it wasn't. I mean, I didn't leave on bad terms. I gave him notice.

[00:08:25] Like as soon as I figured as soon as they asked me, I let him know. Right. Gotcha. He didn't like

[00:08:33] it because like, you know, it's hard. He was gonna lose me, he was gonna open another location

[00:08:41] and all that kind of stuff and I'm like dude, I'm sorry. Like I keep telling you these things

[00:08:46] and you're not listening to me and I gotta do something about it. Right. And if anybody would

[00:08:52] understand, I would hope it'd be you. Yeah. He's like, oh, it's cool. And I mean, we were made friends.

[00:08:58] That's awesome. You know, that's good. That's really good. We don't talk as often as we used to but

[00:09:05] you know. Still history and yeah, yeah. That's good. I'm still grateful for everything like

[00:09:12] you know that he did for me and yeah, it was good stuff. They say it's for a season sometimes,

[00:09:20] a lot of the time. So, you know, when it works its way to that end, you know. Yeah,

[00:09:27] it's really hard. After it was all said and done, he was like, I knew it would come sooner

[00:09:32] or later. It was just a matter of when. Like yeah, I mean, how many times you know all these other

[00:09:40] guys we know like how many times they move around? Yeah. Yeah. Well it's hard too. When you teach

[00:09:49] somebody or when you're being taught by somebody, I think that there's such a connection there.

[00:09:56] I mean, yeah. I would imagine it would be, I mean with you too, you had a long standing mentor

[00:10:07] from school and art. So like, you know, you had had that kind of loyalty and, you know,

[00:10:14] prospectus in that realm for a very long time. And like you said, your family,

[00:10:19] everybody stuck together and kind of learned the trade of the family and stuff like that.

[00:10:23] So I think I'm sure, you know, he probably just really liked you. I probably was like,

[00:10:29] you know, this is awesome and sucks that I can't, you know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

[00:10:39] I don't know. I just saw the opportunity to kind of

[00:10:45] be with people that were going to help me grow. Yeah. You know, and I mean,

[00:10:50] I want to say everybody goes through this, you know, you get to a point and you're like,

[00:10:58] well, I'm not fucking learning anything anymore. You know, and then what are you going to do?

[00:11:04] Sit there for another two, three years and, you know, kick yourself in the ass because

[00:11:11] you want to make a move but you can't. Yeah. Or you don't want to...

[00:11:16] Hurt anyone's feelings. Yeah, you don't want to rock the boat.

[00:11:19] Yeah. No, I agree. I think you're right. I think that that's the hits that keep on coming.

[00:11:24] You know, a lot of people listening to this, they're trying to get into tat's hearing or

[00:11:29] they're in the new part of it and so, you know, you're in that phase of it, which you want

[00:11:34] so much so quickly. But what you don't realize is that their hits points to where,

[00:11:40] you know, the next move is equally scary and you got to reinvent all over again

[00:11:47] and keep driving. So yeah, no, that's a good point.

[00:11:51] I just, you know, with Jake, I just love the fact that

[00:11:59] like, of course, the money is good but that's not what he's offering. You know what I mean?

[00:12:09] That's not why his plate is as open as it is. You know, that's what it is.

[00:12:14] Yeah. Very decent human. Yes. And those are the kind of people I want to...

[00:12:22] Yeah. You know, those are the people I want to work with. Those are the people I want to hang out

[00:12:26] with. Yeah. People that are open to learning. Like, I'm a giant sponge and I want to soak

[00:12:35] everything I can. Yeah. That's something that, you know, my grandfather instilled in me. He was

[00:12:42] like, dude, just be a sponge. Like whatever anybody throws at you. If they're teaching you

[00:12:48] something, they're taking the time to explain something to you. Soak it up. Use it.

[00:12:55] I love it. I love it. It's good advice. Very good advice.

[00:13:00] I mean, I do it for my mental health. I gotta draw. I gotta make something. You know what I mean?

[00:13:07] I have to be creative. So I don't... It's good that I can make money doing it but

[00:13:14] I don't do it for the money. Correct. Well, and it sounded like even with plumbing,

[00:13:21] you know, you found the fun in that. Yeah. And you know, you found joy in the work. So,

[00:13:28] I think that's really it too is that if you can be somebody who is a sponge and who enjoys learning,

[00:13:34] every day presents a new set of circumstances. A new... Yeah. Something new.

[00:13:41] It creates that fun. My dad was really big about that because I think he always

[00:13:49] made things like playful. And I think that's what I like about Jake and all of them,

[00:13:55] all of you, all of you at Rapture is that there's... You go to work. You do the work,

[00:14:02] but there's always fun and play. And everybody is there to kind of, I don't know,

[00:14:11] loosen each other up and keep it active and flexible and just really, really cool. I

[00:14:18] enjoy the vibe there every single time I come. It's really wonderful. Yeah.

[00:14:23] The door's always open. I know. I just got to get closer to PA, man.

[00:14:27] That's right. It's in my head. It's constantly in my head. And I mean it when I say I want to make

[00:14:35] one of these Wednesday nights. They sound really fun. I hang out with you guys. I want to see this

[00:14:39] guy like blow a gasket. Yeah, Matt. And you know... He's always got some crazy name.

[00:14:53] He changes it every time. That's awesome. It's ridiculous.

[00:14:59] It's like, who comes up with this shit? Matt. Matt does.

[00:15:07] Talking about fist babies and... What? What?

[00:15:14] We had him officiate our wedding. Oh, that's awesome. That's how much we love this guy.

[00:15:24] And the shit that comes out of his mouth. We had him officiate our wedding.

[00:15:29] He opens our wedding up with like... So it has nothing to do with the wedding.

[00:15:34] And these two standing here wait for me to start talking. But what's up with PA? Everybody just

[00:15:42] hits the deer and just leaves it on the side of the road. Nobody cleans it up? Like why are there

[00:15:47] so many dead animals everywhere? Dude. I'm getting married here. This is why we love you.

[00:15:56] This is truly why we love you, dude. It's awesome. And he's from Boston. So he's got that...

[00:16:08] Yeah. That accent, that harshness but very comical. That's awesome. And it would be a huge shock from

[00:16:18] Boston to PA about roadkill. They're not Boston. They're Rhode Island.

[00:16:25] Yeah. It's still very... It's like a combo kind of thing. It's like New Yorker meets Boston,

[00:16:33] meets New England-esque wicked. Yeah. You're wicked.

[00:16:41] But that high blood pressure, you know what I mean? That's same realm.

[00:16:47] Yep. Yep. When did you... Okay. So you went to Rapture... About when did you start at Rapture?

[00:16:57] Because I think every time... I've always known Rapture to have you. So I...

[00:17:04] November 2015 is when I started there. Okay. All right. Yeah, I might have met Jake

[00:17:12] before you started but I don't think I ever did a guest spot until you.

[00:17:17] Yeah. I remember you would be there certain occasions because I was in the room next to Jake.

[00:17:26] For the longest time. That's right. So I would... I remembered you had already had your chest

[00:17:33] laid out and you were getting it worked on, getting the color in there. Yeah.

[00:17:40] I was getting tattooed by Jake at that point. Yeah. That's very cool. It's very cool. I love Rapture.

[00:17:48] It's so great. Me too. It's such a good spot. Well, you better. I mean,

[00:17:55] you're part of the... What do you call on the cog team? Like what do you guys call yourselves?

[00:17:59] I'm a lifer. A lifer. Yeah. You got your cog. I would have worked on my cog. I was like, dude,

[00:18:04] you don't have it. You can't even fire me. You have no choice. You are stuck with me.

[00:18:11] It sounds like it's a mash made in heaven though because, you know, every...

[00:18:15] You guys love each other. It sounds like the same kind of vibe. Because, you know,

[00:18:21] it is that wants to constantly learn, constantly be a sponge, team up with people, have random,

[00:18:27] awesome conversations, just bounce off each other. Create, create, create, create. Yeah, I love it.

[00:18:34] I love it. I'm trying to wheels away way in and, you know, invite my into the crowd.

[00:18:42] You ain't got a wheels of yourself in there. I'm trying. I'm trying to show I'm really,

[00:18:47] hey, hey guys. Hey guys, I made it. Good. It's about time. I'm waiting forever. Jesus.

[00:19:00] I mean, we're, we're, we would love to get up there, man. Like we want some land though. So if

[00:19:06] you guys ever like, you know, see a plot of land... Anything comes up. Yeah. We want to go in on it

[00:19:13] with a bunch of people and we could have a commune. It would be dope. Machine guns and turrets,

[00:19:20] missile launchers. Oh man. Oh my lord. She's steel doors and started... Yeah, it could be crazy.

[00:19:33] I know Chan is like trying to get some stuff going.

[00:19:36] Yeah. Cheeseburger club. Yeah. Oh, that sounds amazing. That sounds amazing.

[00:19:49] Well, let's see. I have my standard questions. I want to make sure I go through... Oh, okay.

[00:19:57] So what do you feel about like today's tattoo scene? Like one of my questions is,

[00:20:08] because when I started, I was coming off the art, you know, art school realm

[00:20:14] and I was always baffled that tattooing didn't have more of a formal education kind of thing

[00:20:20] because it seemed odd to me that it didn't. But now that it's happening, my boss, John,

[00:20:27] he warned me. He was like, no, you don't want that because this is going to happen. And he was right.

[00:20:31] Like honestly, I mean, I can thoroughly admit that everything that he was saying was absolutely

[00:20:35] right. I just didn't see it at the time because, you know, in my heart, I was just like, dude,

[00:20:40] this is such a great field for artists. But I didn't see it becoming this. So I don't know. Do

[00:20:49] you have perspectives about what you see and how do you think this can be organized now?

[00:20:58] I think that anyone that's taught like in an old school,

[00:21:06] you know, in an apprenticeship, you're going to be able to see that as opposed to like

[00:21:13] learning it in the class or, you know, whatever is going on now.

[00:21:22] The other thing I see, I see a lot of the same shit. Same. Work that is exactly the same.

[00:21:30] It is a lot of regurgitated crap. 300 different people. There's so many crystals doing the same

[00:21:37] thing. No, but like even like style wise and like there's no I feel there's no like some of this

[00:21:49] shit doesn't have any personality. There's no love that's put into it. It's like, okay, I can tell

[00:21:55] like these 300 people did the same exact tattoo. Like they're just doing it to pay a bill.

[00:22:03] Yep. Yep. No, I agree. I agree. Well, and I also feel like I don't know. I just see a lot of

[00:22:13] I see a lot of the same kind of stuff that some

[00:22:20] I don't know. Maybe I'm not giving enough but I I

[00:22:25] I don't see I like the fusion that was happening in our time where you have people like

[00:22:30] Jeff Gogway who kind of blended Art Nouveau with Japanese and you know, you had people

[00:22:39] and like you said there's a style like Joshua Carlton who is very painstery with his application

[00:22:46] of tattooing. And like you said, you can you can notice style about certain people and the

[00:22:52] way that they tattoo and what they do and how they do it. Now it just seems like this is what

[00:22:59] makes the tattoo. It's so weird because it it's kind of going backwards a little bit into those old

[00:23:05] head kind of things where they're like, no, you got to have this and this and this. And in our day,

[00:23:10] it was more about, you know, the reinventing the tattoo, like kind of breaking the old rules

[00:23:14] and being like, well, why can't you be a little bit more painterly? Why can't you do this?

[00:23:19] Yeah.

[00:23:20] Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. That's

[00:23:27] I don't know. I just see a lot of the same. You know, I mean like

[00:23:31] Oh yeah. How many how many different ways can you

[00:23:36] arose be arose when the same people are taught the same exact thing? And I mean,

[00:23:44] how are you to differentiate any of that? You know, from from the same lesson

[00:23:53] that came out of a book or off YouTube or whatever it is. You know what I mean?

[00:23:59] Yeah. It's very interesting because so one of like Chuck asked me he says, he says, so

[00:24:09] who's your biggest influence? Who do you want to tattoo like? And I looked at him and I said,

[00:24:17] honestly, I don't want to tattoo like anybody. I'm gonna tattoo like me. I don't want to,

[00:24:24] you know, I don't want my stuff to look like everybody else's. And I mean, I don't know my

[00:24:31] style. I'll say it's called suck. You know what I mean? But like

[00:24:38] it's yours. That's just me. Yeah. Well, and I kind of I was kind of the same way.

[00:24:45] I opened Nick Baxter's podcast with him. I said, Nick, I have a confession. I was told that I

[00:24:52] should give a shit about you when when I was introduced to you at like different tattoo

[00:25:00] conventions. And I can tell you honestly, I never did. I said, I care about you now because I've

[00:25:06] seen you over time and you are a person of high quality and definitely a respectable artist.

[00:25:11] And even then I thought your artwork was incredible, but I did not give a shit about you. And

[00:25:17] it didn't why, you know, why? Because we're all artists and we're all trying to do the same

[00:25:23] things. And it just he was like, yeah, that would have been weird, you know, like disingenuous.

[00:25:28] And I was like, I know, right? I was told that I should give a shit.

[00:25:31] Like he probably he probably doesn't remember me. I I met him like early on in my career,

[00:25:38] like during those first three years. And it was always it was like me and Chuck and

[00:25:44] somebody else. And we would always, you know, shoot the shit in between clients at a convention.

[00:25:51] You know what I mean? It was always that. No. So yeah, I haven't heard in a while, but

[00:25:57] you might, you might be surprised. He probably does. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah.

[00:26:05] You know, I insert myself so he had no choice. Well, yeah, that's fine. But

[00:26:13] I did meet a lot of people like early on and it's I don't know. I just

[00:26:19] I don't know. I keep to myself a lot. You know, I know, you know, the convention scene got like

[00:26:29] really expensive. So like I stopped seeing the people that I would see all the time.

[00:26:34] You know, this is like, I'm not participating in this. This guy's got how many fucking

[00:26:39] apartments and how many fucking cities I'm not paying more money to do that kind of

[00:26:45] shit when I might break even after everything that I'm paying out. No, I'm done.

[00:26:52] Yep. Yep. So I agree. I pretty much just stayed the shop. We'll do like little local shows and

[00:27:00] stuff like that. I know, I love that. They're not trying to make where they're not trying to

[00:27:05] make a shit ton of money. You know, yeah, where it's fun. It's sweet. Yeah, it's fun. It's little

[00:27:13] Yeah.

[00:27:16] I don't know. No, I agree. They're for me, a battlefield is one that comes to mind. That

[00:27:24] was such a nice show right after COVID and right after all of that, like just it was so

[00:27:31] refreshing and small, not boom, Bastic. I'm looking into doing Baltimore this upcoming year and

[00:27:39] you know, I can't say I'm overly looking forward to it. I just, you know, it's local. It's close

[00:27:44] to me. I know the I know kind of how it works. But you know, there it's like you said, they're

[00:27:53] they're very expensive. You're lucky if you break even. You know, it's really just an exhibiting

[00:28:01] kind of thing, you know, just to kind of stay in the motions of it. But I honestly am enjoying

[00:28:09] guest spotting a lot more. Do you do you like traveling with tattooing or just staying in

[00:28:16] the shop? I mean, I don't mind it. I don't really I don't I don't do really any guest spotting at all.

[00:28:30] You know, the let's see. So my I'm gonna say like the first six years of my career, you know,

[00:28:38] I mean, I did all the East Coast shows pretty much. But yeah, just you know, the every year price kept

[00:28:50] going up and up and up and up and up and up and up and it was just like, you know, I can't I can't

[00:28:55] do this anymore. Have you ever tried any of the Comic-Con's to tattoo at them? I think you do

[00:29:01] so I did. They did one in Harrisburg here. Yeah, I did that. I stayed decently busy.

[00:29:12] But the accommodations weren't more great. No, I mean, it was in the farm show building and it

[00:29:19] is just like it just felt was not good for tattooing. No, you're just breathing in dirt and shit.

[00:29:27] Yeah, you know, yeah. No, yeah. I hear you. I hear you. But I mean, we were, I guess everybody did the

[00:29:37] there was like a local horror show. They those guys did that. I couldn't do it. I had other

[00:29:44] obligations. Right. Yeah, like I'd be into doing stuff like that. Yeah, I know like because

[00:29:53] my wife and I being part of the collectors group, some of the toy shows now there,

[00:30:00] they have people. So yeah, and I mean, I was gonna say the integration of those. Yeah,

[00:30:06] I'm kind of close with some of the guys that run some of these shows. So nice.

[00:30:11] If you ever talk to them, that would be fun as shit, man. Like, yeah, that would be really fun.

[00:30:18] You ever want to? I mean, I have to show up to one of your podcast first. And

[00:30:23] okay, you see if you like my presence. But that sounds really fun. I'm sure it'll be awesome either

[00:30:30] way. So well, I like the you know, at this phase in our career, because we're about the same age

[00:30:37] as far as tattooing. You know, it's I really like diversifying the art.

[00:30:46] You know, tattooing is great. But I think the thing that keeps it fresh is is kind of expanding

[00:30:53] in the in the kind of artistic realms that you explore and so much unlocks different things

[00:31:01] when you're doing that. So during my apprenticeship, one of the guys that I met through the comic

[00:31:11] book stuff, he is also a tattoo artist. Right on his name is Buzz. Pretty sure he works over at the

[00:31:20] Seance parlor. He told like him and I were really good friends, I did a bunch of sculpture for

[00:31:31] their book and their comic book to help promote it. And I ended up making like these fridge magnets

[00:31:38] of the main character. And it was pretty awesome. So you know, doing mold making and all that kind

[00:31:43] of stuff. But like, after after knowing him for a few years, I get to become an apprentice and like,

[00:31:55] I'm like, dude, is there like any advice, anything you could tell me? He said, look,

[00:32:02] the biggest thing I can tell you is you can't just tattoo. You can't. Yeah.

[00:32:10] He's like, you will be fucking miserable. You're not gonna you're gonna you're gonna get to a certain

[00:32:18] point and it's like, I'm not going to learn anything else. This is this is the

[00:32:25] this is as far as I'm going to go with this. Right. If that's all you do.

[00:32:31] Well, and I think too it's it can be many things like he does the comic stuff. So he

[00:32:37] ends up doing like a lot of comic cons and stuff like that. So he's like

[00:32:42] drawing stuff on the fly, signing it for people, you know, on comic boards and stuff like that.

[00:32:51] But he said he was like, it doesn't matter what it is, whether it's, you know, your

[00:32:56] drawing, painting, sculpting, could you know, something creative food, it could be anything

[00:33:06] anything. Oh, 100% you have to do you have to do something else. You can't just do this one thing

[00:33:13] you won't grow. Right. One beyond the growth, I think that you know, that's how it

[00:33:25] doesn't because it you're interacting with people so much with it. It's not you and just your art.

[00:33:34] You know, it's you it's a commercial way of using your art. I was explaining that to Jake too

[00:33:41] when he was talking about, you know, his Nick Baxter painting. And I was like, yeah, but that is Nick

[00:33:49] Baxter though, because that's Nick Baxter behind the scenes in his own head with his own time,

[00:33:57] interacting with just that painting. When Nick is tattooing, that's not how he can be. He has

[00:34:04] to interact with the person he has to obey that person he's got to work the skin to a certain

[00:34:10] level that the skin can take. There's a lot of things he has to obey that that has nothing to do

[00:34:16] with him and the creativity or anything it has its boundaries. So, you know, as a creative,

[00:34:24] you know, part of the things that makes us really get off is like you said that risk

[00:34:30] of going beyond the boundary and, you know, really experimenting and really removing ourselves

[00:34:36] from society and playing with things, you know, at our own speed and tinkering like you said earlier,

[00:34:42] not just that tinkering. Let me take it apart and see what wires I can put towards this.

[00:34:48] Yeah, you're right. It's good for our brains. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing I could say,

[00:34:56] Lego, Lego. Oh my God. Like this will be my and it has been my answer.

[00:35:06] But you know, like what do you do when you, you know, like Chinese New Year comes around,

[00:35:11] there's no new toys coming out. What do you do with that law? Lego. Lego. What do you do

[00:35:17] when you have this like blockage, this wall that you hit artistically Lego?

[00:35:26] Lego. Lego. Just buy some Lego,

[00:35:33] kind of learn the techniques that they use for building certain ways,

[00:35:40] and then, you know, just try and build your own stuff. And it's awesome.

[00:35:45] Like understanding the way that the pieces work and what have you done that on the podcast yet?

[00:35:53] What build Lego? Yeah. I haven't. She's built Lego on the podcast.

[00:36:03] We're in the middle of building like a Lego city.

[00:36:07] Oh, that's awesome. There's like four huge tables up on the third floor and there's like

[00:36:13] just plates and buildings and cars and mini figs. Like anybody that comes to visit here,

[00:36:20] we take them down to this Lego store down the street and we have them make a Lego person

[00:36:26] of themselves. Wow. That's awesome. So they can be in our city. So next time you come visit,

[00:36:33] we're gonna have to go there. Well, fuck me. I'm going to have to buy like lots of different hair

[00:36:37] because my hair is always different. That's whatever. We can change it. I mean, there's plenty of options.

[00:36:44] And if it's not an option, I can paint it. It's not a big deal. They have to. They have to

[00:36:49] have pear shaped Legos. Big, big, big ass Lego people. Oh, stop. That's my shape.

[00:37:00] It wouldn't look like me. It really wouldn't when I'm doing my people are the same. They're all the

[00:37:06] same. But I can't, you know, I can't work with that. I'm not shaped like a box. I'm shaped like a bear.

[00:37:13] I have to like mold like little Sculpey clay like buttocks and like saddlebags and just put them

[00:37:19] on my Lego character. You can you can put like backpacks on them, but you can build on the

[00:37:24] backpacks. Okay, I don't know. Put my backpack low. Yeah, it's like my butt. Just like a plate

[00:37:33] that hangs down a little bit further and some some studs to build up around it. That'd be fun.

[00:37:39] It'd be really fun. Oh, I'm excited. But Lego, I love it. So we started building this Lego city

[00:37:49] last year for her birthday. I bought her this. It's what's called a modular set. It's a boutique

[00:37:58] hotel. So it was like a little art gallery and like a restaurant and it's got a little bar,

[00:38:05] but like it's a whole building. Wow. Usually like the store bought Lego that you buy like

[00:38:14] a Target or Walmart. It's only going to be half the building. Right. So that kids, you know,

[00:38:22] or play in it. Yeah, yeah, you can actually like play with it from both sides.

[00:38:28] These modular ones, they're a bit more expensive. I mean, you're paying probably at least 200 bucks

[00:38:33] for one of these sets and they are aimed more at adult collectors,

[00:38:41] but it is the whole building. So it's four walls, whatever. There are different rooms in each,

[00:38:49] but each layer so the roof comes off very simply and then each floor you can take off

[00:38:59] because they use like a minimal amount of studs to actually tack it down

[00:39:04] and hold it on there. Anybody does Lego, they know what I'm talking about.

[00:39:08] Oh my God. That's awesome. So my nephew was really, both my nephews were really big in Lego

[00:39:15] in the beginning. They've kind of segwayed away from that, but I wonder if they'd still be into it.

[00:39:21] So I bought this set for my wife for her birthday last year and she built that thing,

[00:39:29] took her probably like four, four in the evenings to put it together

[00:39:35] and she got all done. She was like, that was the most fun thing I have ever built in my entire life.

[00:39:46] I want them all. I want to build them all. I want to build them all. I love it. So from there we

[00:39:54] just started buying plates and then like just to build on the plates, you know, road plates

[00:40:00] and all that kind of shit. That's awesome. It was on our dining room table. We had like one city block

[00:40:07] laid out, but not enough buildings to fill the city block. We just had like sidewalks started,

[00:40:14] we had the road started and all this stuff. That is so awesome. Now we're, I mean,

[00:40:21] we're pretty deep into it. Like there's a city like four tables up on the third floor.

[00:40:31] Your house must be amazing.

[00:40:36] Just the, from that time of like, because I always, I would always buy Lego. I'm a big Star Wars fan and

[00:40:46] Marvel and like I like the Lego city stuff. So it was always like, oh, a trash truck. That's cool.

[00:40:54] I've never seen a trash truck. You know what I mean? So they'd always have certain sets and I would

[00:41:01] build the sets, but like after learning the pieces, you're thinking about different ways that you can

[00:41:10] use it because like they will, what's called snot building though, build sideways. So the

[00:41:17] that's snot building is studs not on top. So like they'll build sideways rather than up.

[00:41:24] But like you'll still have stuff that's built up and you'll build off of that off the side. So it

[00:41:30] gives you a different effect and you're able to do different things. And there's all these

[00:41:35] different techniques and just, just trying to adopt those techniques into building this city.

[00:41:44] Like last year, I don't think I've ever drawn as much as I have

[00:41:52] Wow. in a year's time. Like, wow. It being something you do almost every day. Like,

[00:42:02] you know what I mean? Like I learned how to sculpt 3D with a program. Wow. Last year,

[00:42:11] like there were all these things that just came and it was like, I want to do this. And I want to

[00:42:15] do this. And I want to do this. And it got everything cracking. Everything was turning. And

[00:42:22] like, I don't know, it makes me happy. And I tell everybody like, Lego, Lego,

[00:42:28] Bye Lego, Lego, Lego will open those doors. I love this. I love this advice. This is the best.

[00:42:35] It's I don't know. That's what works for me. I mean, I dig it man. I think that that's a great,

[00:42:44] great. I would, I would contact Lego since you're the Simfat X because

[00:42:53] they'd be like, Oh, that's sweet. That's great. That's nice. Here's a free Lego set. Yeah.

[00:42:59] Yeah. Yeah. We get a free Lego set. I mean, you have a podcast that that might be a really cool plug

[00:43:08] to see if we can integrate. There are lots of people out there that are like crazier over Lego.

[00:43:18] Like that's their whole life. You know what I mean? I hear you. But you are you are shouting

[00:43:23] it out from a cathartic. Yeah, that's true. Artistic, you know, reunion of the soul,

[00:43:30] creativity, spawning thing like it's a whole other angle than just being obsessed with Legos. It's

[00:43:37] it's kind of like, you know, if you want to stop feeling stagnant as an artist, get Legos.

[00:43:44] Get Lego. Yeah, I think that's I think it's a whole other angle, my friend. So that like that

[00:43:50] Lego was actually like my that was my panic killer, my anxiety killer. Gotcha. So,

[00:44:00] you know, that's awesome. You're you're concentrating on following the instructions.

[00:44:07] But you're building something, you know, you're actually making something and it's

[00:44:13] it's fun. So I would just make a big fucking thing, a tea, you know, non noncavenated tea or whatever.

[00:44:22] But like the herbal tea. Yeah, I just make a big one of those get some honey in there.

[00:44:31] Relax. Yeah, and just sit at a desk or at a table and just build a Lego and in complete silence

[00:44:40] and or throw on headphones. You know, I mean, listen to some some calming music, some calming sounds.

[00:44:49] I like it. That was like my anxiety killer. So if you were to teach somebody would this be

[00:44:56] like a Mr. Miyagi move, like give them like a Lego set and be like build it?

[00:45:01] It. So I've been trying to do that with Jake to settle him down. Oh, cool. Let's do it.

[00:45:13] Maybe I need to join you guys. I keep I keep buying him Lego cars and stuff that he, you know,

[00:45:19] I bought him a super and a, you know, like all these cars that he loves. They made a GTR

[00:45:26] and I bought him one of those. And we got it. We got a we got a strong arm.

[00:45:30] Um, did he tell you get out of him? He what? Did you tell you that I was bugging him? I got him.

[00:45:36] I'm reinventing the tattoo. He wasn't there this past Monday, but I had to interact with

[00:45:43] guy. I just sent a little bit on. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, I'm signing you up

[00:45:49] so that you can get on here and you can read read this and see it for what it is now.

[00:45:54] If you want to like, you know, cause I cause I'm trying to get him to teach

[00:45:59] because he would be an amazing teacher. You would. Um, both of you honestly would be at this point.

[00:46:04] You would be a good one too. You don't think so, but that's what I'm saying. Like that advice

[00:46:10] is very rare and good. And I think you can say the same thing. And I don't know. I

[00:46:19] have my moments. I guess I don't know what your hesitancy. I'm curious.

[00:46:24] I don't know. My brain just holds me back sometimes and I'm like, I don't know how to explain this

[00:46:32] people are watching me. You know,

[00:46:36] well, that's not necessarily the in my time of doing it. Um, I didn't feel like I had to

[00:46:42] provide all the answers. I think it was just kind of being there and, um, observing what

[00:46:49] questions I would get and then hunting the answers and saying, I don't know. I do know.

[00:46:56] I don't know how to describe it to you. Let me take that question and put, you know,

[00:47:02] really think about it and then I'll come back. But I wasn't always able to do that either.

[00:47:08] Um, but I think that's honest, you know, and I think it shows too that, uh,

[00:47:13] you know, you're still learning, you know, it's a whole different thing to

[00:47:16] teach somebody as opposed to doing. So yeah. Yeah. And who knows, you might learn something

[00:47:25] while teaching. Oh, much. Yeah. No, but I think you'd be great at it.

[00:47:33] I always love those little epiphanies where you're like, oh, wait a minute.

[00:47:37] If that equals that, you know. Oh, I love those things. Like, ah,

[00:47:44] I never really thought about that before or like, why do I do that that way? And do I do it because

[00:47:50] of the fact that it feels right or what it actually married me to this action? I don't know.

[00:47:57] But yeah, you kind of are putting the state of analysis about your own process and it,

[00:48:03] it's really interesting. Um, I think the biggest thing is that, uh,

[00:48:08] uh, it's hard to teach artists because it's like herding cats and, um, you know, it, it,

[00:48:19] it might not end, you know, with being friends by the end, but, uh, you know, I think it's like

[00:48:26] you said, um, you know how to be in terms of somebody teaching you. You gotta be a sponge.

[00:48:34] So as long as you're looking for somebody that's equally a sponge and they want to learn from you,

[00:48:40] I think you can make it work. Um, because that's what you would have to expect from them. Are

[00:48:44] you a sponge? Yeah, I'm taking the time to show you something I don't have to be.

[00:48:50] So be a sponge. Um, but I think you, I think you'd be a good teacher and you got a couple

[00:48:55] cool moves now, like an, and some really neat, like, um, playful ways to keep the artistic

[00:49:02] vibe going and, um, it'd be fun. It'd be very fun. I mean, these are just things that I kind of,

[00:49:09] I don't know. Again, things that felt right or, uh, just ended up with the Lego, like obsessing

[00:49:21] over it for, you know, almost, almost a year's time and then realizing that it was helping me

[00:49:30] with everything else. You know, absolutely. Absolutely. No, it's great. And that's why I, um,

[00:49:39] I, uh, I love that as a, as a great, that is a great tip, man. I can honestly see that being

[00:49:46] miraculous. Um, that would be really, really, really fun. I'm so happy that you guys do that.

[00:49:53] And then it's, there's just something satisfying about running your hands through like

[00:49:57] a big box of Lego, like raking your hand through them. It's, oh, oh, I love it. I love it.

[00:50:06] I saw a Twitter post that was, uh, what's the worst thing to step into? Step on? Yeah. And

[00:50:13] somebody said Lego and I was like, Oh shit, man. That is a good answer. It's been so long since

[00:50:20] I have been asked my mom that question. We left Lego on the stairs and she stepped on it

[00:50:27] and fell down stairs and like broke her leg or sprained it or something like that. I forget.

[00:50:35] Oh no. Yeah. My answer was dependent upon where I am. I'm like, you know, most of the time,

[00:50:43] you know, if I'm barefoot, I'm in my house, but if I were to say stepping on anything,

[00:50:49] uh, would probably be like a, um,

[00:50:53] um, what do you call them? A fire ant hill or something like that would be pretty bad.

[00:50:58] That wouldn't be fun either. No, it wouldn't be good. No, no. Yeah. Like, but if one of them bites

[00:51:05] you, they're all biting you. That's a lot. Yes. Lego, Lego though, when I saw, when I read the

[00:51:11] answer, I was like, Oh my God. What was that? Indiana Jones. They ate people. They did.

[00:51:18] They did. They ate people. They ate monkey brains fresh from the monkey. They ate snakes.

[00:51:24] They cut open a snake and eat the snakes live. That was a lot of crazy shit in that, that movie.

[00:51:33] I love that. I for love Dr. Jones.

[00:51:38] The short round was the best. Yes. I'm, I wish, I don't know. I wish that they

[00:51:44] created plots like that now. They just seem to be regurgitating everything.

[00:51:49] They are coming out with another roadhouse. I heard. What are your feelings? Tell us.

[00:51:57] We watched the preview for the other night.

[00:52:03] I know our time going up, I think was like the most epic. It was the most epic.

[00:52:09] It was a lot of good stuff. I mean, not all of it holds up, but

[00:52:18] there's some good stuff out there now. We just finished.

[00:52:26] It's called Silo. Oh, that's on Apple TV, I think. Okay. Silo. That was really good.

[00:52:35] I don't know if you've ever seen the expanse or anybody out there has seen the expanse.

[00:52:44] They're probably going to know what I'm talking about, where

[00:52:49] it's so good. Like when it's done, you are left with this very empty feeling like,

[00:52:57] but there's no more. I don't know where to go from here. Like what is going to top this?

[00:53:04] And that Silo gave us that. I think I've heard about Silo before. It's really good. Okay. All right.

[00:53:12] There's also the foundation one there. That was really good. Hopefully, there's going to be more

[00:53:20] of that that comes out. I'm going to check these out. Because even

[00:53:26] Ching Fraser and a lot of that don't hold up, but it's super funny. It's funny. It's funny. Yeah.

[00:53:35] I also love my cartoons. Right now, my favorite cartoon is called Doro Hidoro. It's an anime.

[00:53:46] Okay. It's it's fucking crazy. Like

[00:53:52] the main character is like this giant hulking dude with a lizard head.

[00:53:58] Wow. That's really cool. He he's running around looking for

[00:54:06] the person who turned his head into a lizard and he doesn't know who he is. Oh, interesting.

[00:54:13] Yeah. That is a really interesting premise. It's I mean when you like the first episode,

[00:54:21] when it starts, you're like, what the fuck am I watching? This is nuts. This is the craziest

[00:54:28] fucking story. Like in order for him to figure out who the person is, he has to bite their

[00:54:34] head. Another guy comes out of his throat and is like, you're the one or you're not the one

[00:54:41] and everybody's been you're not the one so that he just kills them. Right. And he has to eat him.

[00:54:46] Well, he doesn't eat him. He just like cuts them up. He just kills him. He just kills them.

[00:54:50] No. Yeah. He just kills them. So chops them into little bits with like two little combat knives.

[00:54:56] So when he finds who the one is, what's going to happen then?

[00:55:03] I would imagine he would probably kill them too to like release the spell that is on his head.

[00:55:11] Let's hope that releases it. Yeah. But it's like this. I mean.

[00:55:18] Anime is like that though. Anime has some really crazy premises.

[00:55:22] And it was it was from what I understand, it was written in like the mid 90s.

[00:55:28] Oh, by a woman.

[00:55:32] Q she signs everything Q miss Q or Mrs. Q or something like that. I forget.

[00:55:39] Interesting. A bunch of the books upstairs, but like

[00:55:43] the stuff she writes is insane. She writes and draws all her own stuff.

[00:55:48] Oh, that's cool. She has a new one, a new anime manga that's out right now.

[00:56:00] I have it on here. It's something. It's like Killer Kai or.

[00:56:10] Is it?

[00:56:12] That's cool.

[00:56:14] Oh, it's called Die Dark.

[00:56:17] Die Dark.

[00:56:18] Die Dark.

[00:56:20] That's awesome.

[00:56:21] So would you say Q Hayashita is her name?

[00:56:26] Hayashita.

[00:56:28] I like her name dude.

[00:56:29] Her fucking artwork is crazy.

[00:56:32] Really?

[00:56:33] Yeah.

[00:56:33] You got anybody that wanted it?

[00:56:35] No, I want it.

[00:56:37] You want it?

[00:56:38] I want it.

[00:56:39] Oh, very, very cool.

[00:56:42] Like I'm a big fan of hers.

[00:56:45] I'd like to see it. That would be really cool. I'll have to look her up.

[00:56:50] So would you say that you just love art and that that's what inspires you? Not anyone artist?

[00:56:59] Yeah. I mean, the thing I miss about conventions and stuff like that is like

[00:57:05] I was always guaranteed to draw something really big.

[00:57:12] You know, you know, during my somewhere during my time there,

[00:57:16] I would always draw something really big new something that was fun

[00:57:21] because I'm just surrounded by all of this art.

[00:57:25] All of that. Yeah.

[00:57:26] Yeah.

[00:57:27] Yeah.

[00:57:27] But then I see what everybody else is doing and I'm like,

[00:57:29] you know, I quit. I suck.

[00:57:35] So let me break my hands.

[00:57:37] Comparison is the thief of joy.

[00:57:41] Yeah. I try not to listen to it.

[00:57:44] Me too.

[00:57:45] Just put my head down and just do things.

[00:57:48] Hell yeah, man.

[00:57:50] Lego.

[00:57:52] Yeah, Lego.

[00:57:54] And then do some Lego.

[00:57:56] Do some Lego.

[00:57:58] Well, do you have I mean, we already got through a lot of it.

[00:58:01] The advice everything.

[00:58:03] I think we covered a lot of your apprenticeship.

[00:58:05] Is there I guess is there beyond Lego?

[00:58:10] Is there anything that you have for,

[00:58:13] you know, the art realm tattoo artists tattoo apprenticeship?

[00:58:18] Anybody who's getting into something?

[00:58:21] If you're looking to get into anything like the sponge is

[00:58:27] that's the way to be put your fucking ego aside,

[00:58:31] whether you have one or not, put it aside and just

[00:58:36] if somebody's trying to teach you something,

[00:58:39] they're taking time out of their day to teach you something.

[00:58:46] Shut your mouth and soak it in.

[00:58:49] I dig it.

[00:58:50] Humbly just take it.

[00:58:53] They're giving you a gift to shut up and take it.

[00:58:58] Do what you will with it.

[00:59:00] I love that sound.

[00:59:01] Whether you use it or not, what?

[00:59:03] Shut up and take it.

[00:59:04] Shut up and take it.

[00:59:08] Seriously though, like.

[00:59:09] Right now.

[00:59:11] You got to do it.

[00:59:12] I mean, yeah, like it's one of the things that bugs me the most

[00:59:17] about this industry.

[00:59:20] There's there's a lot of ego.

[00:59:23] We don't we don't need it.

[00:59:26] I agree.

[00:59:27] I agree.

[00:59:28] Definitely needs to be managed.

[00:59:31] Yeah, I definitely needs to be managed a lot more than it is.

[00:59:34] I think it's very incentivized.

[00:59:35] Saying that you're humble doesn't make you humble.

[00:59:38] I'm sorry.

[00:59:39] In fact, it probably means that you're not.

[00:59:42] Yeah.

[00:59:43] But like just.

[00:59:46] Just just take it.

[00:59:48] Somebody's got something to say.

[00:59:51] Yep.

[00:59:52] You want to walk away with something?

[00:59:55] That's that's what you do.

[00:59:56] You just put everything aside.

[01:00:00] Soak that up.

[01:00:03] It's like Chevy Chase in in in a caddy shack.

[01:00:08] Be the first person to go to the gym.

[01:00:10] Caddy shack be the ball be the ball.

[01:00:13] Be the ball.

[01:00:14] Be the ball.

[01:00:14] Be the ball.

[01:00:15] Be the ball.

[01:00:15] Be the ball.

[01:00:16] Be the ball.

[01:00:20] Well, I love it.

[01:00:21] I love it.

[01:00:23] This has been a fun time.

[01:00:24] Thank you so much for for coming on.

[01:00:26] Absolutely.

[01:00:27] Yeah, man.

[01:00:28] Did we leave anything out that you want to share?

[01:00:30] I want to make sure that we covered everything.

[01:00:34] I don't I don't think so.

[01:00:36] I'm glad we explored your your other passions though, because you're very diverse.

[01:00:43] And I think that that is key.

[01:00:45] Well, I feel that I mean that's what keeps the creative juices flowing.

[01:00:53] You know what I mean?

[01:00:55] Like it's fair to you if if you you want to sit and play Tetris.

[01:01:01] You sit and play Tetris.

[01:01:02] It's going to keep your mind going.

[01:01:03] Sudoku sitting Sudoku.

[01:01:07] That's going to keep your mind going, you know.

[01:01:10] I'm excited about Legos.

[01:01:12] Legos.

[01:01:13] Legos is a good time.

[01:01:14] It's good stuff.

[01:01:18] Yeah.

[01:01:20] I don't know if we missed anything or not.

[01:01:25] All right.

[01:01:25] Well, this isn't have to be the last one.

[01:01:27] So OK.

[01:01:28] And after this we expand.

[01:01:32] I want to come and play with you all.

[01:01:34] I need to make it up there.

[01:01:36] And I told Jake the next time that I'm doing a guest spot up there,

[01:01:40] I don't know when it'll be, but I'm going to either get an Airbnb

[01:01:43] or stay with him and Bri.

[01:01:44] I don't know which one I'll do, but I want to stay up there.

[01:01:48] So I can hang out with you guys more.

[01:01:50] So all right.

[01:01:51] That's a goal.

[01:01:52] That's a goal.

[01:01:54] I love you guys.

[01:01:55] Thank you so much.

[01:01:56] We love you.

[01:01:57] Oh, yeah.

[01:01:58] And thanks for this diary entry.

[01:02:00] This is great.

[01:02:01] I'm really excited about this one.

[01:02:04] Yeah.

[01:02:04] This was a good time.

[01:02:05] I enjoy it.

[01:02:06] You're awesome, JD.

[01:02:08] No, you're awesome.

[01:02:10] I'll leave you to your night and building more of your Lego city

[01:02:15] and whatever else that you have to do tonight.

[01:02:17] But I really appreciate you.

[01:02:19] Probably just go up and eat dinner and...

[01:02:22] Good man.

[01:02:23] Hang out.

[01:02:23] Just say hi to the wife for me.

[01:02:27] I will.

[01:02:28] I will do so.

[01:02:29] She's awesome.

[01:02:30] Beautiful.

[01:02:32] Yes.

[01:02:33] All right, man.

[01:02:34] I wouldn't have married her.

[01:02:35] I know, right?

[01:02:36] Well, she's always a joy to me.

[01:02:38] So I'm excited.

[01:02:39] I'm excited to get up there and spend more time with y'all.

[01:02:43] Oh yeah.

[01:02:44] I know.

[01:02:44] We'll be excited.

[01:02:45] We'll be excited.

[01:02:46] I'm so excited.

[01:02:48] I gotta contain it.

[01:02:49] I gotta get up there.

[01:02:50] But you guys are amazing.

[01:02:52] I'm happy to share you with more people.

[01:02:55] Who knows?

[01:02:57] You could get famous after this.

[01:02:58] I don't know.

[01:02:59] I can't promise anything that it could happen.

[01:03:02] I mean, I do all the other podcasts too

[01:03:04] and it doesn't really get me anywhere.

[01:03:06] So...

[01:03:06] Yeah.

[01:03:06] It's not really...

[01:03:08] It's not really that kind of realm.

[01:03:09] We have like a set amount of listeners.

[01:03:11] You know what I mean?

[01:03:12] It's about as far as that goes.

[01:03:14] Yeah.

[01:03:15] Yeah.

[01:03:15] That's how I feel you.

[01:03:16] It's a passion.

[01:03:18] Yeah.

[01:03:19] Yeah.

[01:03:19] We'll have a good night and a great dinner.

[01:03:22] Thank you.

[01:03:23] You too.

[01:03:23] Thank you.

[01:03:25] Bye my friend.

[01:03:26] When I end this, it's gonna be really weird

[01:03:28] because it's just gonna go dark so...

[01:03:30] Okay.

[01:03:31] I'll be the Zane.

[01:03:33] I'll be the Zane.

[01:03:35] Bye.

[01:03:36] Later on.

[01:03:41] All right and excited as I was,

[01:03:43] I still haven't gone up there to visit JD and Chandra.

[01:03:47] But I need to and I would like to.

[01:03:49] And now you guys understand all the different ways

[01:03:52] that you can catch them.

[01:03:53] There's shelf gravy, there is realm of collectors.

[01:03:58] Hey man, let's try to make...

[01:04:00] Let's try to make JD famous.

[01:04:02] Wouldn't that blow his mind?

[01:04:04] Aye.

[01:04:04] That's not why we do it guys.

[01:04:06] Anyway, love you listeners.

[01:04:08] Please come back next week.

[01:04:10] I hope to have another amazing artist

[01:04:12] to share with you currently.

[01:04:14] I'm in Oklahoma so...

[01:04:16] I'm gonna be making some memories.

[01:04:18] I've definitely met a bunch of artists here

[01:04:20] and I'm hoping to snag some interviews now that

[01:04:25] they've seen my face.

[01:04:27] But anyway, God bless listeners.

[01:04:29] Good week.

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