Ep. 214 "How Far Can I Push?" (Diary Entry 2:2 with Kyle Devaney (Ghost))

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[00:00:08] Kyle Devaney's diary entry with us

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[00:00:15] How far can I push?

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[00:00:47] So there was a kid that came in to I mean I can't he's probably like

[00:00:52] In his 20s somewhere, maybe I don't know how it is but they're all came in

[00:00:57] Yeah, he emailed me

[00:00:59] He emailed me and asked if I was looking for an apprenticeship, which I think is very like odd because that's not very like

[00:01:05] It doesn't show it shows some kind of initiative, but like it's for me where like it comes in

[00:01:13] Sorry for me it comes to a point where I

[00:01:17] Just don't think that's the right way to do it

[00:01:19] Like to me like you bring your drawings and you see me face-to-face and you just walk in yeah

[00:01:26] At least that's the way that I did it and I feel like this way

[00:01:29] It should be done and I'm sure a lot of other artists agree with me and probably some that disagree

[00:01:33] But don't matter you have your own spot and if somebody wants an apprentice ship with you

[00:01:38] You're putting that information out right now

[00:01:40] So yeah, if somebody listens to this and they look at your work and they're like damn

[00:01:44] I want to learn from that guy now. They have the tools to hit it correctly

[00:01:49] So I don't want an apprentice. I don't want to teach somebody right now

[00:01:54] But I did tell this kid to come in and talk to me and it took him like three weeks to show up

[00:02:01] So first off I was like you don't want it that bad no

[00:02:04] And then he did show up and I think the nerves got the better of him

[00:02:08] And he didn't I he just started coming in and showing me stuff

[00:02:11] Like I was standing at my front counter and I think I was done tattooing whatever and he just let started

[00:02:16] He just started like talking to me like immediately and I was like, who are you?

[00:02:20] Right, right, and he's like oh, I'm this guy like so and so forth

[00:02:24] And I was just like I'll give you the benefit of doubt and I told him was like I don't want an apprentice

[00:02:31] Like you're out your art like you did all these different art styles. He was like

[00:02:35] He had potential like he was he was pretty cool. He was a nice. He was a nice guy

[00:02:41] But yeah, I just told him was like I don't want to apprentice

[00:02:43] But you can come in anytime that I'm tattooing and you can watch me tattoo and ask questions

[00:02:47] Right if I find out you're tattooing from home then like, you know, I'll add back

[00:02:51] Like I don't I don't like that's something that like I don't stand for I don't like that

[00:02:57] But uh

[00:02:59] He's he has yet to show up

[00:03:04] I think that's a great way too. I mean you're offering

[00:03:08] You're offering him the ability to watch you and ask questions. That's huge

[00:03:12] I mean, yeah, otherwise you'd have to pay an entrance fee at a tattoo convention to get that kind of

[00:03:18] Possible access to a tattoo artist. So whilst you weren't giving him an apprenticeship you were giving him access to something

[00:03:25] Um, yeah, no, I mean from what I can tell it seems like you're

[00:03:31] You're being generous enough and I get the sense from you that if if somebody were to learn from you

[00:03:40] That they'd have to earn it and that's that's that's good

[00:03:43] You you have to earn it and I think that a lot of that probably comes from the fact that you did have to learn

[00:03:49] So hard and understanding that how how rocky

[00:03:53] It was to get you know to this point and how much you had to actually

[00:03:59] You know push through in order to get the information

[00:04:04] You know, and I think that's the other thing that happens if there's too much hazing or there's too much delinquency or too much

[00:04:11] Abuse to put it boldly

[00:04:14] I think that it kind of hardens people a little bit a lot, you know

[00:04:19] like because they just know what they've been through and

[00:04:23] They're they're

[00:04:25] It kind of is like dude

[00:04:29] If you had any idea what I went through like this is so much easier for you

[00:04:33] And I think that is from the perception that you're coming from is that, you know, we have all this technology now

[00:04:38] There's so much access. You can buy a fucking tattoo machine from Amazon

[00:04:42] You can buy like tattoo courses from somebody then do an online whatever like you can do so much in regards to

[00:04:49] Tattoos there's so much knowledge that we didn't have

[00:04:53] I'm waiting. I'm waiting for the day that someone hits somebody up that I know all myself and

[00:04:59] Says that they completed the tattoo school

[00:05:03] Yeah, like I'm pretty sure the tattoo school in Philly

[00:05:06] It might be as far out as organ because the organ is having a mass capacity

[00:05:13] So in order for them to really have

[00:05:17] I guess longevity teaching the way that they are

[00:05:22] People are gonna have to move out organ like in order to substantiate the amount of

[00:05:28] Artists artists that they're creating with air quotes

[00:05:32] I think it's I think it's so funny that you're gonna go pay

[00:05:36] They I don't even know if the people teaching are actually tattoo artists

[00:05:40] So they could just be some some scratcher up or from some street shop that they just they could do charity class

[00:05:46] You know I mean like that's it

[00:05:48] well, even scarier out in

[00:05:52] Shit if you said Michigan and it's another and out in

[00:05:59] Missouri and how Minneapolis Minneapolis

[00:06:03] Fuck what's the what's the state? Why am I blanking?

[00:06:08] Minnesota

[00:06:09] Out Minnesota another out Minnesota and I've heard they have this in a few other states too

[00:06:17] They're teaching prisoners

[00:06:19] They're teaching prisoners in oh, yeah, I have that in jail

[00:06:23] Yeah, how to do it so they're having little tattoo schools in jail too. So it's getting it's getting really interesting

[00:06:31] Yeah, I have that yeah, which I'm willing to work with but my whole thing was not having

[00:06:38] I told the prison system that

[00:06:42] In truth, I'd rather them just bringing good art teachers and have them hone a portfolio and then supply a grant

[00:06:51] So that the the person can have left prison with like, you know good behavior

[00:07:00] Well, yeah, and and can have money to go and offer an already functional

[00:07:06] Licensed shop that's already operating to code

[00:07:11] Teach them and take them on and give an incentive to take them on to rehabilitate them

[00:07:18] To me that's what organized and that yeah, that doesn't railroad the profession

[00:07:23] Oh, I got back and forth into it with this woman in Minnesota. I'm not only living Minnesota, but I was like

[00:07:30] You are not doing this. This is really bad

[00:07:33] And she was like what are we supposed to do? I'm like let them tattoo each other and fuck themselves up

[00:07:41] That's what you do and she goes what and I was like listen your problem isn't tattooing your problem is

[00:07:49] Sex, okay. You want to know why there's rampant hepatitis and blood-borne pathogen pass out condoms

[00:07:56] Okay

[00:07:57] Pay your correctional officers to actually do the job that they're supposed to and keep people from shit like that

[00:08:04] Because that's what needs to be done. These people don't have agency in the system

[00:08:10] They are technically not able to consent

[00:08:13] They are under your guys. That is where they are. They're in prison

[00:08:19] Yeah

[00:08:20] So speaking of that my brother is actually a prison officer he back back in australia

[00:08:26] and he tells me funny stories all the time and um

[00:08:29] There was one story that I'll never forget and it was a dude like uh, they called. What is the inmates call my brother?

[00:08:37] They call him like

[00:08:39] no, like as in like just the prison guards or whatever they I think they call him like chief or something like that

[00:08:44] and um

[00:08:46] This one guy was uh taunting my brother as far as like

[00:08:51] He uh, just like tattooed his throat

[00:08:54] And he was like you like my new my new tattoo chief and he's like, yeah, you do it yourself

[00:08:58] And he's like, yeah, how'd you know? It was backwards because he did it in the mirror

[00:09:01] So it was like lettering across his whole throat. That was just backwards

[00:09:08] My brother didn't tell him he was just like, yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's great. This looks awesome. Nobody else is gonna know man

[00:09:14] So funny. You did it for you, didn't you? Yeah

[00:09:18] to me

[00:09:21] That's awesome

[00:09:23] Yeah, man, it's it's wild what's happening right now and that's

[00:09:27] um, you know, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to deal with with waves of that kind of stuff, but I do think um

[00:09:34] Like you said

[00:09:36] Doing it classy doing it with some integrity doing it in a in a hole like I treat people the way I

[00:09:41] I aim to be treated way

[00:09:43] It's the best course of action because as long as you're operating that vein it isn't to say you're not gonna fail

[00:09:49] But you you're probably

[00:09:52] Gonna keep moving forward, you know

[00:09:55] That's that's the goal. I definitely want to see how far I can push my career or

[00:09:59] Yeah

[00:10:01] places that I can take my family and

[00:10:03] um, I've thought about opportunities where I could possibly guest spot in some cool shops

[00:10:09] And like let's say it's in like Europe or something like my family can just come with me and

[00:10:14] it's

[00:10:15] It's written off as a business expensive, isn't it? Yeah, no totally totally. I mean

[00:10:20] Absolutely as it stands right now. Yes

[00:10:23] um, how

[00:10:25] Why what made you go into?

[00:10:27] Um, just purely black and gray. What made you want to concentrate on that?

[00:10:32] um, so I started doing the air tried stuff and um

[00:10:39] I was very stubborn in the fact of that. I it's all I wanted to do

[00:10:44] And uh, I remember one day this guy came in

[00:10:47] And he's like I want a color realistic olive

[00:10:50] and I was like, all right

[00:10:53] Let's do it. So I did it and I just was like I want to do I want to try my hand at real it

[00:10:59] Right, so I so I started doing color realism

[00:11:02] and

[00:11:04] soon found out that I

[00:11:07] Fucking hate color

[00:11:09] Like just the amount that you have to clean your needles and you have to have like 65 colors to do one thing

[00:11:16] and uh

[00:11:17] I just I wouldn't say that I hate it. I just got I got over it

[00:11:21] um

[00:11:23] I'm not

[00:11:25] At least I think I don't think I was like the greatest at it like I could do roses and like

[00:11:31] All that random stuff. I did some color like portraits of like animals and like dog

[00:11:35] whatever

[00:11:37] But faces like even with my color theory. I even found it hard to match tones as

[00:11:44] Like I would match the tone while tattooing and then once it settled it wasn't it was slightly off because obviously all the irritation

[00:11:51] um

[00:11:53] And then I don't I don't remember what what broke me into black and gray, but I just started trying and

[00:11:59] All that I remember is for now that it's all I do

[00:12:02] Um, I do if I do accept anything color it's like neo traditional which I still I still like to draw and

[00:12:10] And whatever and some Japanese stuff, but it's not it's definitely not like traditional Japanese. There's so many rules with that

[00:12:17] but uh

[00:12:18] I mean you're australian. I don't think you should have to

[00:12:22] I think anybody who goes to an australian for a japanese piece. You're probably expecting a fusion

[00:12:27] A fusion restaurant kind of experience

[00:12:30] I kind of just like yeah, I guess so. Yeah

[00:12:33] I just throw I just the Japanese stuff is mostly just like dragons. Everyone just wants dragons or hanyu masks or like

[00:12:41] Yeah, or a koi. I'm literally doing a dragon in coysly right now. Um

[00:12:47] And just started another dragon sleeve it just keeps going but um

[00:12:52] Primarily, I just like doing like I love horror like horror movies. I love I love it

[00:12:59] so um

[00:13:01] I just like to do that dark and like creepy style of tattooing

[00:13:07] So it's um

[00:13:09] It's just where my interest went and where I pushed and see how like how

[00:13:15] I love looking at an image and seeing how like

[00:13:18] Close I can get the tattoo to that image. Yeah, it's it's um, it's very satisfying. I think it's like

[00:13:25] Stelfish in my own way because it's like I don't really care what they're getting. I just want to do this. It's really fun

[00:13:31] Well, it's a marrying of minds, you know, like it's it's uh, it's a well, obviously they obviously they agree to it. Yeah

[00:13:39] Yeah

[00:13:40] Absolutely and and now

[00:13:42] like working with

[00:13:44] Like my friends like jake jake kirk and and brie

[00:13:48] um

[00:13:49] Especially competing with brie

[00:13:51] Like I miss her a lot like she's my homie. So like I

[00:13:56] I loved how much she pushed me without even knowing it like she just would try and uh

[00:14:02] Just the fact that she's so good and I tried to beat her so

[00:14:05] It helps

[00:14:07] And in watching how she tattoos and we're so different but we can do the same thing if that makes sense. Yeah, we uh

[00:14:13] I think I would watch her tattoo and then get tattooed by her like just watching how she tattoos

[00:14:19] Also helped me figure out how to get some kind of textures into my into my own tattoos that I do

[00:14:29] But yeah, it's just it I'm excited to see how far I can push it

[00:14:34] Yeah, me too. I mean, I mean all of us. I mean, that's that's the goal, right?

[00:14:39] like and even if

[00:14:41] and even if uh

[00:14:43] You know within that being the goal

[00:14:45] The people that you've tattooed now like you'd be amazed like

[00:14:49] Having having you at a certain time

[00:14:52] Is what it's all about on a collector end of things being like I'm a part of your timeline

[00:14:57] I'm a part of this phase of your journey and that's a that's a really cool thing too

[00:15:02] um

[00:15:04] In a big way

[00:15:06] I know we get embarrassed sometimes because we're like, oh my god

[00:15:09] We're so much better than that now, but oh, yeah, I've gone through and deleted posts from like back in the day

[00:15:15] I'm like, no, no, I want to see that

[00:15:17] um

[00:15:19] Where I've got tattoos on my wife where I'm just like that

[00:15:22] We need to fix that

[00:15:25] She's like, I love you. Okay

[00:15:28] Yeah, right?

[00:15:29] You know what I have to

[00:15:31] um

[00:15:32] But I even have clients that um I have one particular client and

[00:15:37] It's it's gotten to a point is if I just say to like any of my clients that come in like

[00:15:43] That leg sleeve that's all I need to say and everybody knows who that person is

[00:15:47] Um because obviously I've done so many different ones

[00:15:49] But there's just one particular one that she's just like she's known for I've won a bunch of awards for it

[00:15:53] which I mean all opinion based selects whatever but um

[00:16:00] She is working towards doing her whole body with me

[00:16:04] So we're working on her other leg and I'm already looking at her the leg that we've already completed

[00:16:09] And I'm like man. What can I just can I go back into it? Right, right exactly. It's it's hard. That's what uh

[00:16:16] Somebody said to me once they were like, what if you know at your you know

[00:16:19] When you're not able to tattoo anymore and like you're on your deathbed if people were able to bring in

[00:16:24] You know all the tattoos and like you have to see all the people in the tattoos again

[00:16:28] I was like, dear god. Don't do that to me

[00:16:31] And they were like what I said no

[00:16:34] I want them all like I would love it if all of them came to my funeral

[00:16:37] But let me be dead man. Like please don't

[00:16:40] Please don't let me have to encounter all of my past work and then have no ability to change what I did like please

[00:16:47] Please for the love of god

[00:16:50] I was like that

[00:16:51] I would I would probably die. I would probably die

[00:16:55] You're like god take me I can't handle this

[00:16:59] I'm ready. Let me fix it

[00:17:02] I can only do so much from the other side now

[00:17:05] Oh

[00:17:07] Speaking of that, how did you get Kyle ghost? How did ghosts come up? Oh shit. Um

[00:17:17] Uh, honestly

[00:17:21] I went instagram first started or I don't know how I mean i'm pretty sure it was pretty new when I got it

[00:17:27] um

[00:17:29] I was in

[00:17:30] One of my early bands and like that band was called ghosts on Broadway and we all just like kind of proclaimed part of it

[00:17:37] And uh, it's just always been my name Kyle ghost and that's how I got known like everybody like throughout the band scene do me

[00:17:43] Is that throughout like doing my artwork and everything like that?

[00:17:48] um

[00:17:49] It's just a name that's stuck and it and everybody thinks it's my actual name. Yeah

[00:17:56] That's pretty cool man. There buddy

[00:18:02] I'm doing the phone call thing bud

[00:18:05] Tell him thank you

[00:18:06] Don't thank you for his time

[00:18:10] I do appreciate it. Yeah, right

[00:18:16] Kiddos man, that's a whole other thing. Um, yeah

[00:18:19] So you're not hungry

[00:18:21] Yeah, and uh, you had you had a kid while

[00:18:25] Going through all of this so how was that?

[00:18:28] Yeah, I was technically just out of my apprenticeship when I had him. Um

[00:18:32] Well when my wife had him like I didn't carry him

[00:18:35] Yeah, um you guys together had him. Yeah, it it was a crazy experience. Um

[00:18:44] Obviously, I think everybody like if you go back

[00:18:47] They give you think back like I wish I did this differently kind of thing

[00:18:49] But I try not to live in that but he's my best friend like he's my best little buddy. He's

[00:18:55] We're best buds. We're together all the time well as much as we can be

[00:18:58] um

[00:19:01] I think my favorite is like right now is uh

[00:19:04] He wants to come to work and like put his densels on him. He thinks he's getting tattooed and stuff like that. It's really cool

[00:19:09] That's awesome

[00:19:10] There's even like I've even bought like the temporary tattoos to the point that you can buy like full sleeves

[00:19:15] And like I've like I put it all over his body and everything and he was just like

[00:19:20] He just he was just stoked to look like me

[00:19:25] That's awesome one day or one day

[00:19:28] One day

[00:19:29] Hopefully makes better choices than I did though

[00:19:31] Um

[00:19:32] Well and um, you recently um because you have an older child as well. You recently did her first, right?

[00:19:40] Yeah for her 16th birthday. I uh tattooed

[00:19:43] um

[00:19:44] Obviously she wanted a bunch of like crazy stuff

[00:19:47] um

[00:19:49] But I ended up uh

[00:19:51] Tattooing her and um

[00:19:53] Giving her her first tattoo

[00:19:56] And it was just like a little

[00:19:59] Oh

[00:20:01] Um

[00:20:03] But she

[00:20:05] She recently want like she keeps asking me to like get different tattoos

[00:20:10] Um, she is actually in art school right now

[00:20:13] Oh right on

[00:20:14] And her goal is the tattoo as well. So if I do get an apprentice that will be my next apprentice

[00:20:21] That makes sense

[00:20:23] But uh

[00:20:25] I'm trying to teach her

[00:20:27] accountability and

[00:20:31] To work towards something

[00:20:34] Yes, and uh

[00:20:35] We had conversation. I think she just thinks I'm being like a hard like big bad dad

[00:20:40] But um, well you are

[00:20:42] Yeah, but it's all for a good cause right? Yeah, well

[00:20:46] It's like a bigger there's a

[00:20:49] Like I mean well so

[00:20:51] Maybe hopefully one day she sees that

[00:20:54] Well, and I think that um

[00:20:56] You know having r- been raised in a in a business family where I learned

[00:21:01] My first profession which was um

[00:21:03] Uh hair from my father

[00:21:06] People were under the assumption that I was given special allowance because I was the kid of the owner

[00:21:12] And in truth, I was not

[00:21:15] I I was not at all and it was not too long that they saw that

[00:21:20] Actually, I was held more accountable than most of them and that I was

[00:21:25] Actually more responsible than most of them because of how I was treated because I

[00:21:30] I couldn't I couldn't escape it. It was my family. So I had a direct responsibility

[00:21:35] And understanding of what that was so

[00:21:38] Um, I think that's really good that you're like that and in the long run if um, you know, you want to give her a different perspective

[00:21:44] It'd be like listen

[00:21:46] Other people are going to be in the shop

[00:21:48] Do you want them to see you as having special privileges just because you're my kid? Is that going to feel good to you?

[00:21:55] Yeah, there was um

[00:21:56] Part of that conversation where she was like, well, you're my dad and you'll just hold me accountable kind of thing

[00:22:00] And I'm like, that doesn't work like that. Yeah

[00:22:03] Yeah, right

[00:22:05] I told her like I would probably be harder on her than anyone else would

[00:22:10] um

[00:22:12] But we're not there yet. She's still I told her she has to finish school

[00:22:15] and I've given the opportunity to like come in like

[00:22:18] Like just hang out in the shop or whatever and she still wants to be around her friends and like hang out and just be a teenager

[00:22:24] So I get it like it is what it is

[00:22:26] She's got time

[00:22:28] Absolutely. Well, I'm finishing school is good, you know, like to have that as

[00:22:32] I mean, like I said, I have a whole other profession that I can yield to if

[00:22:37] Ever this is not something that you know, I want to do

[00:22:41] um and having um, you know a high school diploma and and different accreditation that can carry you into other fields

[00:22:50] pays off long run

[00:22:51] Rico's in a position where he doesn't have a gd right now and he's got to do that if he wants to diversify where he can go

[00:22:58] So, you know, it's important

[00:23:01] Yeah, yeah, I told her she has to finish school and

[00:23:05] And be responsible and get through that. She does really well in school. So I have no doubt that she'll be fine

[00:23:10] But that's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah

[00:23:13] Well, I I will say that um

[00:23:16] it uh

[00:23:18] It blows my mind

[00:23:20] watching somebody who

[00:23:23] has

[00:23:24] Kind of taken on all these things that I

[00:23:27] I honestly didn't have the balls to do like the shitty shot to another

[00:23:34] I was like no fuck that. I'm I'm gonna

[00:23:38] I moved to another state

[00:23:39] I didn't move to another state and I did get an apprenticeship

[00:23:41] But I got an apprenticeship right away because it wasn't very saturated in that area and my art was too good

[00:23:47] To pass up

[00:23:48] So I found

[00:23:50] I found something that

[00:23:53] Pretty much adopted my ego

[00:23:55] Yeah, yeah, so it was

[00:23:58] One could argue whether or not that was a good choice. I don't I don't know it was my path but

[00:24:04] Um, and then you know, I don't have kids. So that's a whole other level that you've taken on that

[00:24:10] I

[00:24:11] I can't even imagine

[00:24:13] Even imagine

[00:24:14] So you've already you're already juggling a lot more than yeah, I could even be like

[00:24:20] What?

[00:24:22] It's a bit much sometimes but I love being a dad

[00:24:25] Yeah, no, I know I've I've gotten since day one. I've gotten nothing but pure joy with you regarding your children like

[00:24:32] Yeah, um, you've you've always

[00:24:35] You know, and I don't think that you'd be opening up your own place if you didn't have

[00:24:39] that

[00:24:40] legacy kind of

[00:24:42] Calling in you that that fun of creating

[00:24:46] You know your own space or your mark on this world or whatever

[00:24:49] It's a very interesting thing and like you said it's a little selfish because you're like, I just want to see

[00:24:55] What I can do

[00:25:00] Yeah, uh

[00:25:01] I get it. It's just the part it's just the part that one of the called me and like

[00:25:05] I've said this a million times and like I've told like like our friend Jake like he knows this

[00:25:12] But like I had no

[00:25:14] Reason leaving rapture like I absolutely loved it there like everybody was amazing, but

[00:25:21] I just couldn't get this bug out of me. So I just I just had to do it

[00:25:24] It was selfish and I had to do it. Well, I mean

[00:25:29] I mean

[00:25:30] There's callings and if you have if you just keep getting hammered by it, you've got to see it through

[00:25:35] You've just got to see it through. Uh, I I definitely

[00:25:39] Admire that quite a bit because there's not a lot of people who

[00:25:43] Myself included that take those kind of risks. So I I I like it. Um, I mean, you know

[00:25:50] For better for worse, um, it's it's risking is

[00:25:55] It's it's the key to success in a lot of ways people who don't risk don't gain so

[00:26:00] Um, you got to and that's a big thing for people to understand within this profession is that

[00:26:06] And and and knowing your heart knowing what you are and

[00:26:12] What you need it's really important

[00:26:15] um, because otherwise it'll

[00:26:18] It can take you and it can consume you this profession

[00:26:22] And you can wind up in a lot of places that you don't want to be if you don't have that kind of tenacity

[00:26:28] So it's good

[00:26:30] It's good. Um, if anything like you said you're gonna learn you're gonna grow and

[00:26:35] It's gonna keep moving forward and um

[00:26:39] The problem i'm facing now is like I have room to grow and have artists come in and

[00:26:44] um

[00:26:46] I'm just i'm really picky and like I think it's a good thing but

[00:26:52] It's it is a saturated market here

[00:26:55] and uh, obviously like

[00:26:57] um

[00:26:58] Eat my own words. I guess just because like I'm going to shop in an over saturated tattoo area. I guess but whatever

[00:27:04] um

[00:27:07] I just don't I I just made sure I picked a place that I could I can run completely by myself

[00:27:12] and uh, I

[00:27:14] Don't know how i'm gonna find anyone that

[00:27:16] That I like but like that's that's the part of the journey. I'm really excited for that

[00:27:20] so i'm excited to see who comes on and and

[00:27:24] Makes ghost gallery what it is. You know, I mean, yeah

[00:27:27] Picky's not a bad thing. I don't think picky is a bad thing. Um, I think that's a very good thing

[00:27:33] um

[00:27:35] And you know oversaturation for tattoos is one thing but when you're talking about styles

[00:27:42] Um, you know, you you could put out a whole thing that like we want to stylistically serve

[00:27:48] Every kind of person that walks through the door. So I I want

[00:27:54] You know a japanese specialist. I want this. I want that, you know, like I want somebody who

[00:27:59] Like swathkins. I want, you know, like I want a person that kind of enjoys

[00:28:05] You know and just knowing how you want to you know, kind of

[00:28:08] Prayment I think is important, you know, how much how you want the whole vibe to go

[00:28:13] But it's whatever your ethics are if you wanted to be just purely horror

[00:28:17] I know when before I started it, um

[00:28:19] Tattooed hard. It was very like

[00:28:22] hardcore death metal horror

[00:28:25] Everybody was into that like horror portraits and I was like that was like the thing

[00:28:30] Um, I think I think it's insane to see where tattooing has come like when you start from like back in the day when it's all just

[00:28:37] Flash and just straight traditional and like there's all graphite stencils and like

[00:28:42] It's it's insane. And now you have people like like, uh,

[00:28:46] I don't know if you ever seen his work with black sanchos on the instagram. Oh, yeah

[00:28:50] In stain work, like it's just like

[00:28:54] perfect and you see portraits that are better than the

[00:28:56] The uh, the reference like oh, I know

[00:29:01] Like people have just like taken this shit and

[00:29:05] Oh, I know well, I mean, you know, it's it's fun man. Like it's really fun to see and um

[00:29:13] I

[00:29:15] Just just like you on a personal level. I can't wait to see what it does, you know, like what what happens I

[00:29:22] um

[00:29:23] I'm excited for it, you know, like in a lot of ways

[00:29:27] I'm excited for it. Well, do you think back in uh

[00:29:30] The 70s and 80s kiss was uh death metal or heavy metal

[00:29:35] Yeah

[00:29:40] Same thing like how far can we push this?

[00:29:43] Well, yeah, and I think it's um, you know giving yourself the grace of time

[00:29:46] Like you said, you don't like to go back and think I wish I would have done this

[00:29:49] Then it's it's a lot of ownership of your story, you know, like this is a podcast. It is a moving thing

[00:29:55] We're going to progress from here. It's a moment in time

[00:29:57] And it's the same with tattoos. It's the same with the industries

[00:30:00] It's the same with any kind of course of history is

[00:30:03] It's uh, you know, had we known differently? We would have done differently. We didn't

[00:30:08] And it's that's why history is such a fascinating thing to go into is like, what were people doing then?

[00:30:15] Why were they doing it that way? What limitations did they have?

[00:30:18] You know, what what was the cultural kind of influences all those things are really cool

[00:30:24] and um, you know, they all lead into each other and and I think that's why it's really nice to be a student of history

[00:30:31] Is that you see these trends that human beings do and then you can kind of go

[00:30:35] I tell you what's gonna happen next

[00:30:38] Tell me what they're gonna do

[00:30:40] Yeah

[00:30:41] This is how it's gonna go motherfucker. You can listen to me or not, but I'm

[00:30:46] I'm gonna be there to tell you I told you so

[00:30:52] It is but it's cool. It's really really cool

[00:30:54] And you know, I just hope by the time

[00:30:57] this uh, this time for myself is over that I'm just sitting there with a smile being like

[00:31:03] Yeah, this is pretty cool. I'm ready. I'm ready

[00:31:09] Oh take me god. I've done enough. But like this is pretty cool

[00:31:17] So um

[00:31:19] Are there any other when you mentioned a few people are there any other people that you'd like to

[00:31:24] Shout out that are inspirational to you that you you look at a lot. I mean obviously, you know

[00:31:29] Bri is like phenomenal. She's incredible

[00:31:33] And I call her Bri. Is it Bri? Uh, should I be calling her Bri? Uh,

[00:31:37] I don't know. I've always just called her Bri. Okay. I think she is my both

[00:31:42] Yeah, I think her best friend is also Bri. So I think one is Bri. Oh and one's Bri

[00:31:47] Oh that might be it

[00:31:49] Okay different circles

[00:31:53] I just want to make sure but she inspires us all she's fucking phenomenal

[00:31:56] Yeah, yeah

[00:32:03] We're we're always like Jake's always like she inspires me so much and I was like, I know I know it's pretty dope

[00:32:12] Um, but who else is there anybody outside of people that you've met honestly that that you would love to meet or that you know would be kind of

[00:32:21] um, awesome to to be in the face of

[00:32:25] my

[00:32:27] One of my bucket list tattoo

[00:32:29] Artists to be tattooed by is uh, Henry storm

[00:32:32] Okay. Yeah, he's he's out in uh, I think it's

[00:32:36] England I think London somewhere. Yeah, I think so

[00:32:40] I just love how unique his stuff is it's so crazy like it's it's portrait work, but it's just like it's so stylized and thing

[00:32:46] yeah

[00:32:47] um

[00:32:50] But I would love to collect art from like tish tattoo and

[00:32:54] um

[00:32:56] Just like oh, I've seen glendale bully do a bunch of like really soft like prints and stuff and it was really cool

[00:33:02] um

[00:33:04] But i'm running out of space. I don't know

[00:33:06] I want to get tattooed by these people

[00:33:08] Right, right, right. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know

[00:33:12] Hopefully we have a lot of life left, you know, like the time

[00:33:15] Oh, yeah

[00:33:16] Opens up many avenues uh down the way where we are right now is not

[00:33:21] Where we will be

[00:33:23] And that's the other thing, you know, you're you're coaching your teenage daughter right now and she's

[00:33:29] All hot and ready to go and like start her life and it's like dude. You have so much ahead of you

[00:33:34] There's so much

[00:33:35] She with and going back to like what she wants to get tattooed. She has some cool ideas, but i'm just

[00:33:40] 16 I don't know if I can do it yet

[00:33:42] Like I want to do it, but I can't bring myself to like give you like a badass tattoo like that

[00:33:48] Mm-hmm. Um, because I just think back to when I was that age and all the tattoos I wanted to get and I'm glad I did

[00:33:55] Yeah, yeah

[00:33:57] yeah, um

[00:33:59] I wanted like I like the because it was what was going around in my school

[00:34:03] Like the little kanji that people had and stuff like I thought that was like, oh, so pretty

[00:34:08] I'm so glad I didn't do that

[00:34:12] There were so many ideas that I had but they were all

[00:34:15] I mean, yeah my art honestly my art was very

[00:34:22] Juvenile at a certain point I maintained my innocence for a very long time

[00:34:27] Um, I I didn't date until way later in life and things like that. So I really didn't evolve a complexity

[00:34:34] Of personage until later on in life. I hit everything late in the game

[00:34:40] um

[00:34:42] Well, no except for um

[00:34:45] I didn't mention on the last one uh with josh, but I am gonna say it now

[00:34:49] Craig Dristall came up to me during a paradise tattoo convention

[00:34:53] And he compared me to Teresa sharp. He said, how are you? And I was like, I'm I'm 29

[00:34:59] He's like, well fucking get on it kid because you're keeping up with her

[00:35:03] Look at her. She's like what 20 21. You got to move you got to know was like

[00:35:10] This guy he's Craig Dristall, but I was like

[00:35:14] You know, he's awesome and his own right, but you know, he was older at that point

[00:35:18] I think he was like I want to say like, you know my age now

[00:35:21] Like, you know early 40s early to mid 40s and he was like

[00:35:25] It's moving. Maybe you got to get on it. Like I'm just like you're not setting my pace. I am thrilled

[00:35:31] Like I'm okay

[00:35:34] Like I am a late bloomer and I'm totally fine with that

[00:35:40] It's uh

[00:35:43] I just just meeting artists that like you look up to her, uh

[00:35:47] And they're and they're good people

[00:35:50] Is is so uh

[00:35:52] Nick Kaiser dead me

[00:35:54] Yeah, there's someone that I always looked up to and I met him and he is now like

[00:35:59] I would consider him a friend and he's like a good. He's just a downright good dude

[00:36:03] Oh, that's all he does beautiful work. Beautiful work. Yes beautiful beautiful work

[00:36:08] I would love to do

[00:36:11] The collab with him because our styles would like

[00:36:15] Be like nine days so different. Yeah

[00:36:18] You and me would probably do a really cool. Um

[00:36:22] Like trash polka piece because I love doing all that ink spatter and things like that

[00:36:27] Like you do on the black and gray and then you know and do some really cool like expressionistic

[00:36:33] Watercolor stuff over it that you don't want to

[00:36:36] Do I mean I'm doing I'm down to do it. Oh, well, I know you're down to do it

[00:36:40] I love I love collaborating. I don't ever see

[00:36:44] And I I do hold uh, I think jake would be the reason for this but like I don't I don't see anyone's competition anymore

[00:36:50] Like unless like it's intentionally

[00:36:53] competing yes, but as far as uh

[00:36:57] I think I think that's why I have the the mentality that I do as far as like if you ask me like

[00:37:01] I'm gonna tell you like if you want to know if you want to learn like I'll teach you it's not

[00:37:05] I'm not keeping secrets. I'm not trying to like stop people from doing this like

[00:37:10] It's

[00:37:13] Um

[00:37:16] I just

[00:37:18] Collaborate and learn and and hopefully learn from other people and like even apprentices

[00:37:22] I'm sure they can teach their mentors stuff as long as they're like the heads not in their ass

[00:37:28] Now I have a question for you because it's pairing back to the music world

[00:37:31] my cousin recently told me that it's um

[00:37:34] way more competitive in the music world and uh, that that kind of spawns a certain level of mentality and and he's very

[00:37:42] um

[00:37:44] And I don't know if it's true because I don't know if that's just him and the way he perceives it or if that's in fact the case

[00:37:52] I guess in what way he meant it like what context?

[00:37:54] I I well, I mean

[00:37:57] I I was talking about just the passion of of doing something and loving it and there's no other

[00:38:04] There's just no other choice like for me. It's not about how good I am

[00:38:09] Is as much as it is how much I love it

[00:38:12] And they kind of they kind of parry off each other like I become better

[00:38:17] As I love it because I want to invest more time because I love it

[00:38:21] So I become better

[00:38:23] But it's not about being the best and for him it was like, oh no, it's about being the best when it comes to music

[00:38:29] It's about being the best and I don't know if that's just because booking gigs venues all that stuff like

[00:38:35] It's just so much more about getting the gig and getting seen and

[00:38:39] Putting yourself the music load is but I think the music was very different. Um

[00:38:43] Your goal is to see how far you can

[00:38:47] I think they go hand in hand as far as like the passion side of things like

[00:38:52] You have to love be to to learn your craft to then

[00:38:58] Uh perform it in a way, obviously that passion

[00:39:02] Goes away once it becomes a business. Well, it may not but like

[00:39:06] Obviously a lot of people don't have the same passion and drive as they once did because now it's their job

[00:39:14] But I guess the competitive side is like this band could be playing

[00:39:20] 100 000 cap arena and this person probably played

[00:39:26] hundred hundred people in a room, right?

[00:39:30] um

[00:39:33] but it

[00:39:35] Again

[00:39:37] It's hard because the the band that is playing smaller venues could be better than the bigger one

[00:39:43] I think a lot of times they are

[00:39:46] That that bigger one is has small

[00:39:48] Um reach right

[00:39:51] and

[00:39:52] I was gonna say it's harder to balance a smaller room. It's harder to

[00:39:57] Kind of more possible. Yeah, yeah, and it's um and sound wise. It's it's it's a harder thing to really

[00:40:03] Bring a small room in a really nice way and kind of match that thing and then

[00:40:09] You know

[00:40:10] Widen that but I hear what you're saying like you have more reach, you know

[00:40:15] Oh, I'm sorry

[00:40:18] And then and then it comes down to like

[00:40:22] It's a it's a popularity contest and I guess and then I guess that's like what you're you said your cousin

[00:40:28] cousin might be meaning

[00:40:30] It is competitive

[00:40:34] But it's it's all trendy and I guess tattooing the same way

[00:40:40] Yeah

[00:40:41] Because I see a lot of artists that aren't good and they like in the limelight and people just want to get tattooed by them

[00:40:46] Because they see them they saw him on tv. Yeah. Yeah

[00:40:54] it's

[00:40:56] And you know it also comes down to um

[00:41:00] The label too labels take advantage of bands all the time. I hear horror stories of that all the time

[00:41:07] Yep

[00:41:08] Yeah, stop

[00:41:09] I mean, that's what it seemed like to me was kind of like

[00:41:12] His perception of it because you know, I

[00:41:16] You know, I got offered in the early days of ink master a couple times to be on there

[00:41:21] And I was like, fuck. No, you couldn't you couldn't pay me enough and you weren't paying me

[00:41:25] Like so no no, see I would do that shit. See I know you would and I know that's like an unpopular opinion

[00:41:32] But like no, no, no you already said that yeah

[00:41:35] Yeah, the competitive side of that would be a lot of fun for me

[00:41:38] But I know I do know the downfall of that. I know that it's somewhat scripted

[00:41:43] Or like you're perceived in a certain way or however they want to perceive you

[00:41:47] right um

[00:41:49] Even like even if you if you go back and like just the last season because like it's the last one that came out

[00:41:56] Like they all seem competitive and they all shit talk to each other but like behind the scenes, they're all best friends

[00:42:00] Oh, I know I know so like it's it

[00:42:04] It's just entertainment. That's all it is

[00:42:06] But I think it would be really fun to do

[00:42:09] well, and that's the thing is that

[00:42:12] You you would find that fun. I would find that

[00:42:15] Uh terribly arresting

[00:42:18] A huge expenditure of of my time and and attention to aims that were not integral to what I ultimately want out of this

[00:42:26] which is

[00:42:28] I don't I don't I already have so many people that I'm I'm trying to service that to think about

[00:42:35] Putting more on that and having more clout and more

[00:42:38] knowledge

[00:42:40] of me

[00:42:41] And framed in a way that I didn't even get to choose of me where they have this perception of me. That's not even real

[00:42:49] As fun as it would be I I just don't see the end result being something

[00:42:54] That I would enjoy, you know afterwards

[00:42:58] No, I get that side. I think I don't look at it like that. I think I

[00:43:02] at least like

[00:43:03] It's something that's somewhat

[00:43:06] Recently new because I did used to think like not that your exact thoughts but

[00:43:12] Didn't really care for it

[00:43:17] But recently I don't know

[00:43:19] The talent that's on there now is like way better than it used to be true

[00:43:23] um

[00:43:25] Yeah, I'm not getting asked anymore

[00:43:28] I can tell you that I'm not getting asked

[00:43:31] I think I look at it

[00:43:32] I would look at it more of as a competitive side of things. Yeah

[00:43:37] um

[00:43:39] Seeing how far I could push myself especially outside like I I would watch it now and um

[00:43:49] Sorry, he's distracting me Elliott stop

[00:43:52] It's okay. He's your kid. I mean, you know, I'm kind of I'm kind of taking you away

[00:43:56] And we won't be too much longer. I've taken a lot of your time, but this is a this is a cool interesting thing because

[00:44:04] You know with the ink master thing it is a part of our culture if people are listening to this. I mean, yeah

[00:44:09] I don't know who I mean I keep gaining followers like it's slow growing

[00:44:13] But like I keep gaining people listening. So that's amazing. That's that's the point of it, right?

[00:44:19] But no back to what I was saying like I I would watch it now and

[00:44:22] They would have like different canvases come on and like just I liked seeing how

[00:44:28] Their ideas became like what the different artists did with them

[00:44:32] Yeah, and I often try and just put myself in that position. I'm like, what would I do?

[00:44:36] Like I don't know how I would approach it and

[00:44:39] And try and like be crafty

[00:44:41] I also lean on the side of when they're like you got six hours to do this. I was like, no way

[00:44:45] Yeah

[00:44:46] Yeah, that's how do they actually have six hours or they just like make it look like it

[00:44:51] I don't know dude. I I have no idea but

[00:44:54] Yeah, um

[00:44:56] That's another thing like I didn't do crossfit for that reason. First of all, I'm like, fuck you

[00:45:00] I do not need to be that fit

[00:45:02] Second of all, you're timing me anything where I'm timed

[00:45:07] I'm kind of out because like I said, I'm a slow like I'm a I'm like the tortoise

[00:45:13] You know slow and steady wins the race like you want to blow yourself out. That's fine

[00:45:17] But I am going for a long

[00:45:19] Long-term games here. I want to stay in this race as long as I can. I might not be the best

[00:45:25] But I'm gonna finish and I'm going to finish well and not

[00:45:30] Kill myself like but that's that's always been me and that's why I don't get to certain things, but

[00:45:37] I do think that like knowing

[00:45:40] Knowing that about yourself is good. It's not to say one is right or wrong

[00:45:44] I just know that for me

[00:45:46] When I see people like my cousin for example who sees it that way about like

[00:45:51] It kind of breaks my heart sometimes because he

[00:45:56] Um, have you seen the movie devil's where double word Prada?

[00:46:00] Oh, yes, I have yeah

[00:46:02] Okay, because it kind of reminds me of that of being like

[00:46:05] You know, you're stuck in this high-pressure job that is really important that it it is very incredible

[00:46:13] It does do a lot of amazing things for your opportunities, you know, it is

[00:46:18] Wonderful opportunities. You're meeting really incredible people. You're getting incredible perks

[00:46:24] But at the same time, what are you sacrificing?

[00:46:28] On the back end to have all those things and for me, it's always like I look at the things that I'm

[00:46:35] Sacrificing and for me, it's like well if it sacrifices the things that I feel like are

[00:46:40] Really necessary. I'm really integral

[00:46:42] Um, I can't you know, I can't uh, I don't care if I'm not the best because of that

[00:46:49] um, there's a really good movie too called um

[00:46:53] A whiplash the kind of explores that too

[00:46:57] And you watch this kid and he's like willing to kill himself just to be like the best musician and it's like

[00:47:05] Dude

[00:47:07] And and you have a

[00:47:09] Instructor that's there to kill him for him just to get him there like he's he's like, yeah sure dude. I'll uh

[00:47:16] I'll fuck your ass up, you know like I'll I'll I'll push you

[00:47:19] And I'll I'll keep pushing you until the ground if I have to like it's all about the music. It's not about you

[00:47:25] and

[00:47:26] You know, there's

[00:47:27] I do think that that's what legendary is made out of um

[00:47:32] But you know, I'm just happy to be here

[00:47:35] I

[00:47:38] Don't do that, but I see you as like you think it would be fun

[00:47:43] Yeah, that's all I see that I didn't

[00:47:45] I have a different view on things. I don't I don't see things as like I don't think anyone can be the best because someone always it's subjective

[00:47:53] Yeah, like my favorite artist isn't your favorite. I don't mean

[00:47:57] Yeah, I don't know though. We didn't we haven't discussed that yet. That is true, but

[00:48:03] I was more it was more rhetorical. Yeah, yeah

[00:48:07] It's it's just subjective same as like all these competitions that like we all end up it's subjective

[00:48:13] Yes, but it does take yielding yourself to it. For instance, apparently

[00:48:18] um

[00:48:19] HR geiger

[00:48:20] He got a lot of his inspiration for a little

[00:48:24] Under no no no name

[00:48:27] Like sheep herder out in the middle of nowhere who never put himself out there

[00:48:31] and you know

[00:48:34] That's that's what we're talking about though is like whether or not you're you're seen and you're you

[00:48:40] You even have the opportunity for people to know you enough

[00:48:45] To uplift you to that status, you know what I'm saying

[00:48:49] Was it was it van Gogh that that wasn't famous until after he died?

[00:48:54] Yeah, he was definitely one of those

[00:48:57] I don't know. I'm not sure if it's van Gogh, but you know, there is artists like that. So it's crazy subject you

[00:49:03] yes

[00:49:04] well, I

[00:49:05] Their brilliance can only be recognized when

[00:49:08] The reality of them is no longer there because van Gogh struck me as a really difficult person to be around

[00:49:14] I mean, I never looked into his like personality or anything like that. He was very mensileal

[00:49:21] Very mensileal and there's a there's a lot of brilliance that run this that line

[00:49:25] Is like what they create is brilliant

[00:49:28] But what what they are as a human being is really messed up and you really can't like fully appreciate them until all you have is the art

[00:49:36] So there's that too, which you know

[00:49:40] I'm pretty crazy, but I I don't know if I'm that crazy

[00:49:45] Yeah, I mean I can say going back to musicians as well

[00:49:48] Like you meet people and they're complete dicks because of who they are

[00:49:52] And I don't think they have any right. They're just humans in my opinion. Yeah same with I I

[00:49:59] I have reached out

[00:50:01] to

[00:50:03] Stop like one particular artist that i'm bringing up

[00:50:06] because I saw

[00:50:10] This doesn't sound really dickish of me

[00:50:12] I saw his work and I saw places where he could improve and I could help

[00:50:16] Right, so I reached out and offered him just like hey dude like I like he did he's trying to do what I do

[00:50:23] right

[00:50:24] to some extent and

[00:50:26] um even just portraits or whatever and I offered him a helping hand and he accepted it

[00:50:31] But behind my back spat in it. Oh no

[00:50:35] And he I have heard from multiple people. I have clients come in and say how much of an ego

[00:50:39] He's got and his work is not good

[00:50:42] Oh, no, that's not cool

[00:50:46] At least my opinion we are we draw pictures for a living. We have no right to be ourselves

[00:50:53] I mean

[00:50:56] I I uh

[00:50:58] I would have to agree

[00:50:59] I would have to agree that rock star mentality even rocks out. There shouldn't be there's no right for them

[00:51:04] like you see they're down the earth people and

[00:51:07] At least it's how they portray themselves and they're still good people even though they've made millions of money

[00:51:11] Like it's just whatever. Yeah, no totally

[00:51:14] um, and we're not lifting anything heavy or

[00:51:17] You know in inclement weather or you know

[00:51:22] Really for I I agree with you. I I totally agree with you like there's really very little reason

[00:51:27] I think some people don't know their assholes though. Like it's like being truly crazy too. Like you don't really know you are

[00:51:36] I don't know how you don't know

[00:51:38] I mean, it's kind of the definition of crazy

[00:51:41] Like or being an asshole

[00:51:43] It's like the whole thing of like where you're gonna put signs all over your shop

[00:51:46] Close this store. Don't do this, you know tipping is appreciated but never expected or like

[00:51:52] Yeah, I never looked at it like that. Yeah, and then you know, you think people are gonna read the signs

[00:51:58] Well assholes don't and that's what makes them assholes. You can't put signs up to try to

[00:52:04] Redirect the asshole dumb. It's like completely a conflict assholes don't read signs. That's what makes them assholes

[00:52:13] Yeah, I I never looked at it like that so yeah

[00:52:16] So, you know, you don't usually know that that's what you're doing

[00:52:22] Well, um

[00:52:24] So you don't want an apprentice, but it doesn't sound like you're opposed to it

[00:52:28] It just has to come to the right right thing and um, we've kind of explored the whole like tattoo school thing

[00:52:35] I can pretty much tell you're not a fan

[00:52:37] We want to keep this apprenticeships. Yeah

[00:52:40] apprenticeships integral passion driven

[00:52:44] You know

[00:52:46] Small and integral as much as it can be and good

[00:52:49] um

[00:52:51] Is there

[00:52:53] All right, I'm trying to think well you have your new shop

[00:52:57] Building that right now

[00:52:59] Do you want to tell people about it a little bit and kind of uh, what what you're kind of trying to sculpt and then

[00:53:07] The best way is to get in touch with you to work with you

[00:53:10] Yeah, absolutely. Um

[00:53:13] My my idea was I just wanted to create a very like high-end elegant like gallery feel

[00:53:19] um, my ideas obviously changed over time

[00:53:22] um

[00:53:24] But I just wanted it. I didn't want it to feel like you're walking into a tattoo shop

[00:53:29] I wanted to make feel very comfortable and

[00:53:31] um

[00:53:33] elegant in a in a way

[00:53:35] um

[00:53:37] But I wanted my shop to represent

[00:53:39] and feel

[00:53:45] That's awesome

[00:53:48] Stop please stop

[00:53:50] I'm sorry. I mean it's been almost two hours. Dude, that's a long time for kids to hold it together

[00:53:56] I'm telling thank you

[00:53:59] No, but but I I wanted to I wanted you to walk into the shop and like just like feel the type of work

[00:54:04] You're gonna get if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah

[00:54:07] It's like you walk into a high-end restaurant or McDonald's, you know, I mean like I want you to expect the type of work and

[00:54:15] Hold it to a standard. So I wanted to create like my own vision of that

[00:54:23] For the tattoo artist what um

[00:54:26] Oh my goodness, that's so funny

[00:54:29] Uh for the tattoo artist that you hope to bring of course the quality of artwork you you have there

[00:54:34] But what is on their end? What is the kind of atmosphere that you'd like them to have at ghost gallery?

[00:54:41] Um, I I want them to I want to hold them to the same accountability

[00:54:45] I want them to create art over making money. I want to make them to be like art driven

[00:54:49] Over just taking anything that comes in the door

[00:54:52] If you can't do it or if um, it's not something that like you are going to do well then hand it off to the person

[00:54:59] That's going to do that. Right

[00:55:01] Um, they don't have to do black and gray portraits or anything like that. So I don't want to get that like um,

[00:55:07] Uh,

[00:55:08] Misconstrued or whatever. I just want them to do really good art solid art, right?

[00:55:14] So be very art driven

[00:55:17] Yeah, not not be driven by money and I think that's I think that's a problem that this industry sees

[00:55:22] That especially in street shops

[00:55:24] Um, and I don't think there's anything wrong with street shops

[00:55:27] But there's just like a certain kind of street shop that just

[00:55:31] They're just they're just money driven. They'll do whatever comes in the door whether you can

[00:55:35] They'll they'll do portraits even though they can't do portraits and they end up screwing screwing that up, right?

[00:55:41] um

[00:55:44] And and in a way like there's no respect for the craft that it's just like we can make money doing this

[00:55:49] And that's what we're gonna do. Yeah

[00:55:52] Um

[00:55:55] Yeah, I just want them to be respectful and

[00:55:57] And uh, just be a good human being. So that's really it. That's a that's a big that's a big one. Good human being

[00:56:04] Yeah

[00:56:05] well, if somebody wants to

[00:56:08] uh work at ghost gallery or

[00:56:11] Um contact you for a tattoo or any any of the different things that you do

[00:56:16] How should they reach out to you because we've already discussed getting an apprenticeship don't email but uh

[00:56:22] Yeah, show up with your portfolio. Yes

[00:56:25] Um, you can you can get a hold of me by just my instagram, which is just cloud ghost. Okay

[00:56:32] um or the ghost gallery tattoo company

[00:56:36] Instagram um all all their emails and everything around there

[00:56:41] um

[00:56:43] Pretty straightforward just email me or stop by the shop

[00:56:46] Fantastic, I love it

[00:56:48] And uh, let's see. Let's see. Do you have closing words or wants for

[00:56:55] Uh, this diary entry, you know, do you feel like there's something that we haven't said that you you really feel like needs to be said

[00:57:03] Um, I don't know. We touched on the basement a lot of stuff. Yeah, we did we did. Yeah

[00:57:09] Well, I want to thank you for your time and especially, you know, you've given this to me

[00:57:13] um while you're trying to

[00:57:15] To manage your child. So that's a that's a big gift. Um to all of us, you know, I mean

[00:57:20] It's uh, it's wonderful. Honestly because you know that

[00:57:24] Times with our children. I mean, I don't have any but I know it's precious and you know, I appreciate that highly

[00:57:31] So this is a this is a cool time and you know, we'll catch up with you and elliott later on and see where things are at

[00:57:38] You know, what kind of tattoos he wants or

[00:57:41] What is he doing at the shop?

[00:57:43] Oh, that'll be cool

[00:57:46] Hopefully I can get him to like sweep up or something on there. Oh surely surely. I'm sure you can make that really fun

[00:57:51] You know, it's all risk reward. You know, like

[00:57:54] All you gotta do is give a reward for something, you know, like oh if you do this then you get this

[00:57:59] Yeah, he's like he's like my dolbo right now if he's ever at the shop

[00:58:01] He just like sprints back and tells me something to you. Oh, that's awesome

[00:58:05] Oh, that's awesome. That's rad. I love that

[00:58:09] Well, you guys have a great night and I appreciate you and

[00:58:13] By the end of this, I'll be sending you the

[00:58:16] Raw audio for you to check out but otherwise I really really appreciate this Kyle

[00:58:22] Yeah, thank you so much. I uh, I mean, I was excited to do this and I'm glad we got it done

[00:58:26] Yeah, man. It's been a long time coming

[00:58:28] Yeah, we've been talking about this for a minute

[00:58:31] I know we'll do more. It'll be great. It's all a moving thing

[00:58:34] Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I plan on trying to get my own started. So like uh

[00:58:38] I've been talking to you about that so

[00:58:40] Yeah, I think I can get you in there and do that. Yeah and and reach out if you have any issues like uh, I

[00:58:45] Yeah

[00:58:46] I don't know everything

[00:58:48] Hardly but I I know enough

[00:58:52] I at least help a little bit

[00:58:54] All right, man, right

[00:58:56] Yeah, we'll have a great rest of the night and I thoroughly appreciate you and uh, yeah

[00:59:02] I'll let you know when when this bad boy is about to go out

[00:59:06] Thank you so much. It was good talking with you

[00:59:08] Definitely man. Thank you

[00:59:10] Bye

[00:59:11] Bye

[00:59:13] Alrighty diary listeners, you heard it that is Kyle ghost

[00:59:19] It's not really caliob ghost, but that's where you can find him on ig at kyle ghost

[00:59:24] That's his ig definitely follow him. You won't regret it. He has beautiful beautiful work

[00:59:30] Also, if you would like to follow his studio page, it's new it's budding

[00:59:36] Obviously, he's very interested and very passionate workers who would like to work at a very serious studio and do some awesome work and just keep leveling up

[00:59:45] It's called ghost gallery tattoo company. It's located in pa

[00:59:50] Thank you everyone for your time. You're listening

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