Ep. 228 "If not for..." (Diary Entry 3:3 with Wheelyum Dee)

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Hello and happy Tuesday Diary listeners. This is the third part of our time with William D. He had a three-part diary entry,

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_03]: we're so grateful to have so much of his time and energy and we are calling this third piece, if not for.

[00:00:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And you'll see why.

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks listeners enjoy.

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[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I like questions.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you don't usually get to...

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no totally.

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is a typical one that I think has an interesting thing.

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_03]: What surprised you the most about tattooing and what do you feel kind of was like a challenge for you in the realm of it?

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what was a struggle and what surprised you? I guess about it.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: The surprise of tattooing is what people can actually do on the skin.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I say when I saw the jar of the girl, I thought it was fake.

[00:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I did. I was like, how are you doing it? And I thought it was not real.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought maybe the guy would just paint on some of my skin.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, no, these are all tattooed.

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Also, we said a pressure is now or the stress.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_03]: For just like, was there something because for me, by personally, a good one that I had recently that I'll share with you after mine.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: I still struggle with mine work.

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even a lie.

[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like that is not my lines.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I was always taught not to really, because I was more of a painter.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_03]: You know? So they were like, there is no real lines in real life lines or devices you use to create space on a 2D plane.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_03]: So you utilize them to create a 3D effect.

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what you do.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a tool, but I was never really encouraged to really pay attention to lines line weight line.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like the different qualities of lining and so it never really became a big part of my repertoire.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: And it's still struggle. Like that's steadiness whenever I see somebody.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're always young and it's always makes me so sick that have the cleanest fucking lines.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just like, dude.

[00:02:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's how man like how.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I deal with it every day. The guys I work with.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They got the cleanest lines and then I'll do a line.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I do your cleaners. We are like, I don't know.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I think so man like, I didn't feel clean.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like wow.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_05]: But this is something I think that I think line work.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: But I think a lot of it is just like trying me is trying to make sure that every piece I do is better than the last piece I did.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good one.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like I want to make sure that every time I do it in a new piece of art for somebody on somebody that I look at and go without where that am I.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Am I happy for what I did?

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: If I'm not, now I'm done to and I just do another session for free.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And they don't know that because I wasn't happy.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_05]: I just want them come back in.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I do another session so I can make it look better because I didn't like it when they left.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of people like me, you're losing a lot of money.

[00:03:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not that yeah, I mean, we make good money sometimes but some of us don't make the money that some people think we do because we still have bills.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: We still have this. We don't have that. Yeah, do we a lot of us live comfortably? Yes.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I live comfortably. I put it that way.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the end of the day, tattooing for me, it's not all about the money.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why I signed about your word.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to get in that mindset.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Your laylam might look, no, this is how it needs to be.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This is my price.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to stick with it. I can't just keep getting like $2,000 pieces for like 20 bucks.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But ain't 20 bucks, but anyway, I got to stop doing that.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the end of the day too, it's like, that's my struggle. The struggle is like,

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: make sure I'm still have the same willism look or whatever or make sure I'm progressing.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Or even making the last tattoo idea even better. If it is lying work,

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_05]: saturation of color, saturation of black, the blends are still blending.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Everything is smooth, everything reads right.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Everything is flowing the right way on a certain body part.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_05]: The healing process, because like even I tattoo, I think I've learned a little bit now.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So when I tattoo, the skin is never rated, never raises.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just bleeding. But it's all, but everybody's like, your stuff is so saturated.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Even people watch it.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not even bleeding or anything. How do you do it?

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, I don't know, I just took the machine.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I held it this way and did this.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. And they're like, shut up.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, well, you know, it's like he said, you got the needles or sharp.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no wall you have to do certain things.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, that's my struggle. Like I said, it's a similar one of mine.

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Mine is too.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's just, you know, sometimes it's just,

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_03]: I would say for me at points, it's trying to like a fear of success.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_03]: So we're thing to say, but that's like, that's what it is.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Because I know that with, with that kind of cloud,

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_03]: there will be more responsibility and more expectation and stuff like that.

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I do have fear of that.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I will admit that entirely.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_03]: I also like,

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_03]: it doesn't feel like we were talking about earlier.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't feel like I completely know what I'm doing.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_03]: I still feel like at times I'm experimenting on people.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm just like, I shouldn't take your money for my,

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_03]: for my investment in my craft.

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's not, you know what I'm saying?

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's different if you're like practicing on fake skin to,

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you know, grow within your tattooing.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But when you're taking a willing participant who's giving all this trust,

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_03]: you're like, I kind of know how this is going to go.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_03]: But like, not really.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_03]: So that's where I'm at, too.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_03]: As I just always want to make sure it's integral and it's fair.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_03]: And I will do the same thing.

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I tell people, I have a maximum cost,

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_03]: which I think is very fair.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_03]: And I always take my optimistic quote and add at least four to six hours on that

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_03]: because that's what kind of optimist I am.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I'll cut myself short, four to six hours like every time.

[00:07:31] [SPEAKER_03]: So I think about it, what it'll be.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_03]: And then I add like four to six hours on it and I tell them,

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: this is the max.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_03]: It won't go over here.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you will pay to this point.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_03]: This is what I will need in order to create an amazing piece of art.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: We're for you.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'll be, I'll be good.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_03]: After that point though,

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_03]: we're just going to make it awesome because that's what it has to be.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're paying for.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I want you to have.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I want you to encounter.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_03]: The world with because I want you to be able to go out there.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_03]: And I want people to be like, Oh my god,

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Where's your tattoo?

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Because that'll keep me busy.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_03]: So it's going to pay in dividends later because people are going to see the art.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to be like, Oh my god, I want to go to your artists.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_03]: And so I do think that that's where you get when you,

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_03]: when you give things away like that same thing with me.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_03]: There was a lot of free tattoos in the beginning because people didn't know what you could do.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Until you did it.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I want to do it.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to do it.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I have to do it.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_03]: And you had to take a picture of it and then, you know,

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_03]: like your friends that documented the whole thing.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a very important thing.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_03]: What's next?

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Like, do you have something aside from all the stuff that you're going to do with cotton candy after we get off here?

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Like what?

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_03]: What?

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you've been traveling and you've been like pushing the boundaries and I do agree with you.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, spotting.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_03]: I think a part of conventions can be their own educational space for sure.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm an already of them.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't like because you're just, you're just so bombarded and so like craze and you're just working the whole time that you're completely.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Like done like you don't want to human anymore.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_03]: After a convention, most of the time that the thought of networking and asking somebody questions while you're there is just like.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So it at least it is for me.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Now places like paradise and some of these like, you know, what is it?

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_03]: There's the conference that Teresa Sharp puts on like the explore conferences and stuff like that.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: You see Teresa's role?

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_03]: I know right?

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Like she's dope.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_05]: I have the biggest crush.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I hang a loud.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: She's so beautiful and so talented when I saw her we end.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Eent.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_05]: She won that.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So I started following and I followed her still today and I was like,

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I love her.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, she drove things.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: She's super sweet.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We had a tattoo convention here in Chad Nugan, not too long ago.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, well, I'm going to stop by walk around and see who was here.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know who was there.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just walking around and see a couple people that knew me.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I knew them with follow each other.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_05]: So I just mows you around.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Turn to corner and I looked over and I was like,

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Teresa, mother fucking shot her.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I said, you're Teresa Sharp.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_05]: He turned to you.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I said, oh my god, I'm with MD.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I follow you on Facebook.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll Instagram.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I said, man, you're just.

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, and I was like, after I walked away,

[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, you look like I felt like a mental school kid

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_05]: with his first crush.

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And I was like, and I hope I didn't really freak her out,

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: which I probably did.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: She laughed and she was like, still super nerd.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And everything else, but it's just like she won.

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_05]: She's so poor man.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_05]: She rides horses.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Horse people are like their tough.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: They're tough people.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_05]: She's like, she's like, yeah, she's incredible.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she's in my top five and then I have the guys.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Some guys are my top five.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Man, a top five would be hard at this point.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so much of a fuck.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_03]: There's so many people that I've never knew about that.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And I love it when I find a really talented artist that like barely has followers.

[00:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, what the hell is this amazing?

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_05]: What am I like?

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, I think it's weird.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it's kind of weird to me a little bit, but I really appreciate it.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though when I do conventions or I do like guest spots or sometimes I'll do like little seminars.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And especially like when I go to conventions, okay,

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: people that come up to me that know me other artists.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god, I had to come over and say hi to you.

[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't mind if I want how you do some of your will is on.

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And then I have like other artists that will come and do a seminar with me.

[00:12:19] [SPEAKER_05]: If I go to a tattoo guest spot somewhere, and then I put like a little seminar on how I do things.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And they'll come in there and they're like man, like I just want to come over and meet you.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, learn so much from what we're doing.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And then it's like, I really enjoy it, but at the end of the day, it's like it's kind of weird because even if my family is with me somewhere,

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_05]: they're like, they just treat me like bug.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_05]: We all know, they just like I'm just, you know, my your just my brother or your my cousin or does that.

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They know all your shit.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, when they came down a valve or they see they go to a convention, they see like man, you're kind of like same as I'm like,

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of like, I think like yeah, I'm like, how's it?

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: So kind of like, I still watch dishes by hand and everything else is up.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, I still put my shoes on sometimes the right way.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So you know, that's the one thing I love.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I love it, but it's embarrassing.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what the site of people.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had a girl recently and she was kind of getting into something that she felt very full too.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, okay, the problem was is that it struck me as maybe more.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Dangerous edgy, not that it hasn't been done, but that's where I was cautioning her and she was like, well, you know, like this just feels very true to me.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_03]: And it just feels like I'm finally being seen for me.

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, you're not though, you're you're she's like, but I'm, you know, I'm always somebody's brother or always somebody's mom or always somebody's this or that.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, you're always going to be somebody's box baby.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Like everybody will put you in a box.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you as the tattoo artist that can't have an opinion outside of tattooing because God forbid, I have an abrain or an opinion or a thought outside of that space that's convenient for everybody to put me in.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody puts you in a box that's comfortable for them and they're lying to if they tell you otherwise.

[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_03]: So people the box is bigger, you know, but it's still a box and the only the only reality that you have the only relationship where all bets are off.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_03]: You're being completely seen to a point where it's very confronting is between you and God that's it.

[00:14:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody else they're they're seeing it this one way and it gets old you're going to follow this to its point where you're going to really resent the fact that that's how people see you.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, because all of us do I was like I've been a tattoo artist long enough to be like dick I am so much more than fucking.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm human like you just said I watch my dishes.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_03]: I got bills I got you know I got cats I got people who die in my life I got I get sick like it happens like and that's the other thing is that like when you're in those beginning phases you want it so badly that you forget.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_03]: That that you're going to you're going to be so successful to a point where it's going to blow your mind and kind of feel really weird.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to be this thing in somebody's mind that it's like dude and I.

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, but.

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm flawed.

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm going to go talk to my exploits for a second.

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like I'm going to talk to them and like bring yourself down a little bit because I'm sure then you'll get the real the real story or at least somewhere in the middle.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_03]: Because you know that that's probably more accurate.

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's that's I hear you I hear you and that's a good point because you know the way you felt about you know Teresa Sharp that's how other people feel about you and so I encourage people to at any phase of where they're trying to pursue passion.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_03]: You know talk about it talk about the people you idealize the people that you fan girl about the people they're just people and yeah.

[00:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: They love you like at the end of the day if they don't if they don't appreciate that and they're dick and they're probably not worth your.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_03]: Your care like that but most most are like oh man thanks thanks for loving what I do and.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_03]: They'll probably come off a lot of things that you never thought they'd give you for nothing and and you might be that person to somebody else too that you really don't understand is looking up to you so.

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know that's that's you know and it can be a lot of things I mean we don't know how long this life will last and.

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you're reporting like this is so valuable because you know you have kids you have people in your life and you know and having lost people.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_03]: What kind of things you know are left behind that you just want to hold on to and if you have something of somebody like this.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_03]: We're you know they get to hear you laughing and all your influences and like you know all that that's that's money man like that's real those are gems so.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And all of us all of us have that can to contribute and I really like getting the story I find that getting somebody story is so key to I don't know just.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Why we're here you know like we're all we're all a lot more similar than we are different I think the differences are fun and they're very colorful and it makes it really interesting but at our core we're very similar and I just want people to know that you're like.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You had said you're not kept from any of it like you can teach people to do any of what we're doing you know you just don't want it.

[00:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You just got to think yeah yeah like when the lady running that again because I think I told you before or even though I do like little seminars I started doing the seminars where people's like.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_05]: They'll pull up a pen and so on I go what needle juice I'm like are you sharp ones.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_05]: They're like what machine use I'm like it doesn't really matter like what I said well here's the thing and I do this now when I do little seminar I tell people.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: To give me a set up their machines give me a machine give me two or three of them of your all machines you put out the aim that you guys have you pick out the needles you want me to use and then I will do this tattoo and when I do it they're like.

[00:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I said yeah because you should.

[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_05]: How do I put it if you really want it like you said to it's in you to achieve what you want at the end of that you we have all this stuff all these tools to help us get there so why don't you learn how to use every tool like you can set out but we we draw things we draw what a pencil yeah so.

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Regardless of how sharp that pencil is and it gets smaller smaller and born it goes from maybe like a three liner.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you go to the nine nine nine liner thing got a third thing liner.

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh man I said yeah you need to look at it that way every time you have different size of brushes every time you pick up a magnet look at it that way.

[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_05]: You know because the magic to me is just like.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_05]: A brush yeah if you do it the right way you're going to make some beautiful I hate saying that there's always love saying art.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You want to make beautiful art on the skin because you seen it I seen it like there's some women and there's a man artists out there that do some art on the skin.

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_05]: That just.

[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_05]: And they probably even they need to be tattooed nine you're probably tattooing too.

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I was a lot of fresh like incredible people out there.

[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_03]: God bless them because that's it's it's very inspiring to see yeah it is like I look and go hello you been tattooed know I'll just two years I'm like.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_05]: What awesome and they're like why then I see OGs.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_05]: They've been practicing 20 30 years and I still respect them more than anything else because if it wasn't for them.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Doing what they did for the tattoo community we would not be here doing what we do today like Marshall Bennett I thought the I thought his wife like everyday.

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But she's all the stuff even Josh was Carl's wife.

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I talked to her every now and then see how she's doing yeah the real ones in the tattoo community that are really great.

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Are the most humble and the ones that actually reach out to me they don't do it like in the open right.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Well call my phone or they'll do this they'll call me on like you know video chat and I actually talked to me and see how my day was or see this or give me some better advice.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe a postings and no matter what I've said over the years no matter what I've done they're still here they haven't blocked me they don't they don't say anything bad about me they they still like they help me put it that way.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Some of the stuff down a little bit that I have I tried on certain different things but it's like they're the ones I respect more.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: There's like.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Eddie Kane and Brittany.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, they are the one for the old Earl, Earl, Earl Bee-Ging.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay right on.

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah so I went to do the guest spot with him and everything else so I had a basically the hard given me one of their hardest and find that but I still respect Eddie yes to respect for me.

[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Another guy that got me and him and his wife John Harvey nice.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And his wife.

[00:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm drawing a blanket for me sorry but they're actually I was going to quit tattoo in 2018.

[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I'm so glad you didn't.

[00:23:06] [SPEAKER_05]: They actually sent they they they're tattoo shop.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Phelny Ing was in July at Wyoming.

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay they made me a bus ticket to give because I lost everything.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_05]: I had to start my life all over again.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like you know what I'm not tattooing I wouldn't got to break their job.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_05]: They sent me a bus ticket and got me a bus to get four days to get a while and on a bus.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_03]: How is Wyoming because it seems healing it seems like a place that is gorgeous.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_05]: It's gorgeous like I got to like I got to see like I got to go open the Montana.

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I got to see what I got to I went off to South South Dakota, which I actually got to see Mount Rushmore nice and person like you.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I say it will move you.

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah a lot you see this stuff in person if you really appreciate life if you really appreciate things in life that.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_05]: God has gave other artists ability to make.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_05]: You will see in things that God created it's it just it just blew my mind even like I got to see us and that devil's tower.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Wow yeah yeah.

[00:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I've got to experience so much to travel and all over the United States maybe I haven't took a lot of pictures and people always say you've been all these places.

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And you'll post like the shop you're at or you'll post your pictures of your tattoo but you never take pictures of anything.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Me I don't I'm not that kind of guy.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really either I've tried to do it more, but really you can just buy a really dope postcard.

[00:24:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you yeah but my thing is it's just a memory for me.

[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been single basically in the single since 2018.

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_05]: So every time I go somewhere I'm always by myself so even though if I go to like.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: See the grand canyon by myself that is a moment for me to appreciate you know my surroundings or other people I'm surrounded that I don't even know.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like a moment with the him to celebrate our life here like brain canyon I got to see yellow stone I've got to I mean I'm going to give you an idea so another one.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_03]: So we mentioned postcards my one of my favorite people at church his name's Neil he's awesome and he said that there was a woman at his.

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_03]: And his workplace before he retired who would just take that this huge stack of like cards and just start flipping through them and he was like what are you doing she goes oh I'm.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at my memories and what she would do is she go to all these places and she would.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Fill out a postcard to herself and she'd basically describe her day.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah and then she'd have it mail back to her so she just had a stack of like her life and like what she experienced in those days and like I thought that was a great way to have like a diary I might implore this more as I travel in the future because.

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like that's the thing is it it's all legacy you know having your handwriting and watching how it changes throughout different times and spaces like.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't do never see my hand running but I hand writing.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like almost like a graffiti type like it's quite sloppy right awesome.

[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah like well people see my handwriting they can't really read it but they're like man it looks so cool but they can't read it but then it's like.

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Even more reason to do this.

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna be like Leonardo Vinci with some like code writing on your.

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just for me.

[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_05]: This might be a cool lifetime movie yeah yeah like yeah that would I mean I can't believe she does that is so yeah and that cool.

[00:27:11] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know it just gave me co-teal.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah like a little manic type of movie that people like us group and jank and work I'm genetics.

[00:27:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well you are used to watch on the John new movie.

[00:27:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah no John Hughes was amazing.

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_03]: My good girlfriend just fucking watch the breakfast club and I'm like dude I don't even know if you're gonna.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_03]: But you know that was like one of my favorites and I can't even believe that she got through our childhood like it kind of like and I'm just like are you gonna appreciate it now like.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you even like it?

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_03]: It was like so awesome and perfect and I know it transcends and I can still watch it today and still feel that feeling that I felt when I first watched it but.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_03]: Watching it now as an adult mom are you are you gonna get it like are you gonna get it I don't know if you're going to get it so I just like I don't know if you can be my friend.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_03]: She's my oldest friend we've known each other since we're two of course she's going to be my friend but I'm just like.

[00:28:15] What?

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_03]: How could you have not seen breakfast club man?

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_05]: I know like that that blows my mind for people.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like yeah we're in our age that hasn't seen certain movies I'm like okay then we're going to stop while we're doing and we're watching this move well you got how many times you see it doesn't matter.

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Nope, it's still a great these movies but you like a lot of you can't you'll never be able to redo these movies no matter how much they cry.

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_05]: They're never going to be redo what he did and it's like a lot of artists you're not going people get so close.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the moment you can't there's there's millions I'm gonna say millions but like they found on the out the Mona Lisa and you probably know this how many layers is actually.

[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_05]: That they get to where he got yep.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_05]: People don't do artists we don't do that now.

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no one else a thing is that like the materials are different they're manufactured like you're talking about people who had to go out and get like.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_03]: The essence of the pigment and mix it with the oil to create the pigments they use and then layer it just so.

[00:29:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like you're you're dealing with like.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Like you said about Mount Rushmore like the the idea of these kind of creations being made at times that they were made in that just requires so much.

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Human collaboration and spirit and will.

[00:29:51] [SPEAKER_03]: And particularly here like I have gone to other countries and I've seen things and I'm like.

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_03]: I know that some of these artists were not like they they did what they did but some of them were threatened to do it.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them were like politically.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_03]: They needed to do these things in order to like survive and and if they had done anything else they would have been you know really messed up.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_03]: But like here in America, you know like for for something like Mount Rushmore to like take place.

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_03]: That is like.

[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_03]: You know the amount of human will and creation to do that is just stunning because you know.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_03]: This country is I think very, very special in in our formulation and foundation you know like our constitution is incredible it's such a beautiful document.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I wish we were actually following it right now but that's a whole other podcast.

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_03]: That's a wilder podcast but yeah it's a beautiful document and the formulation of this country I mean that's what I think about too about being a tattoo artist when COVID happened.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I like couldn't do art like I was like I I could but I was really mad and I was like.

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Like I was like on red alert my whole body was on red alert and so people were like oh you know like that whole tattoo artist in a boxing like just go make art just you know shut up and like you know don't worry about it.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_03]: You go make art and you do you do what you were supposed to do it and like do you know how many people died.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_03]: So that I can make art for living do you know how many people suffered so that we could live in this country and have the liberties that we have the amount of time to reflect and to even.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Even have social media like for crying out loud like how many how many people sacrificed their entire families to.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Formulate what we all enjoy today I'm like I can't do it man like I can't do it I see so much being.

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_03]: So many liberties being offered up like just say oh we don't need that and I'm like.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's my own personal experience with it but like I you know that that human creation is just it's it's incredible like what you said when when you really understand how much suffering and how much sacrifice goes into creating things.

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Even just a baby I mean think about what you know couples go through I mean the mom especially but.

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_03]: Everything like all things go into that.

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, yeah.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the whole other thoughts.

[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I knew words for everything now.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know I know I'm tired.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm like okay.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm tired.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_03]: I saw like a post today about like words that describe things that are hard to find words for and I was like, is fucking real and I looked it up and that's like no it's not real it's some guy who made some dictionary about a bunch of terms that he wants to put you know words to and I was like.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't need a word. I need people to use their words.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, to formulate their thoughts.

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't hear what you fucking call it.

[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_03]: But context matters.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're not formulating an idea using words like it's like you said about about the needles and stuff going back to your seminar.

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like I don't care what kind of needles you use.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_03]: It's what you're communicating that matters. You can use many different kinds to communicate the same thing you just have to be able to deliver the message.

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_03]: So what message? What's your message?

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I love that.

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I love that that's how you do your seminars.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_03]: I do think best the truth.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Jeff go away once kind of pulled that up.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, people always ask me like,

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_03]: what do I use? And he's like, I think it's funny. I tell them but like the truth is I use whatever's given to me. Like usually I'll win a tattoo machine or somebody will give me something to try and I try it.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_03]: So I tell them what I'm using, but I don't think they understand that I didn't I'm just I'm just playing with it.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like.

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, when I started over in 2018, I didn't have nothing. So oh yeah, Wyoming tell me well you know I had to interrupt us yet again.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_03]: Little shout out to paradise tattoo gathering.

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_03]: I had to do it especially with this podcast because William is actually going to be tattooing paradise.

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_03]: So come check us out. If you are in the Massachusetts or any of the surrounding state areas, it's going to be a fantastic show.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_03]: It always is lots popping off this year.

[00:35:38] [SPEAKER_03]: What I know is they're just trying to keep scaling and the foundation of this show is probably one of the most integral that I've come across.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I think there's only been a couple others. So if you are tattoo artist looking to level up or if you are looking to be re inspired or if you just want to network or

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_03]: If you just want to, I don't know, the taken all of the beautiful sites of Jiminy Peak Mount Massachusetts in October right before Halloween this show is for you.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So please come join us and now we can get back to our podcast.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he gave me like he basically gave me a machine and I mean, I could start all over with stuff and it was like okay so

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_05]: The other guy that never were there and the other women that worked there too they're like, are you going to be able to figure it out?

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But here's the thing what happened was an angle line.

[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I got locked up for three months.

[00:36:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, for somebody in do, which I got proof that shows I didn't do it. I show people like oh god.

[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_05]: So the judge basically let me go but, but I got lucky though every time I go somewhere in life or do something I always get lucky because I think God puts me in certain situations because they were paying

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They wanted people. They wanted a couple of good artists to pay them mural in the jail down the hallway.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Well I told Miss Jackson. I remember names that are really like I'm not really good at names but some people really made a significant.

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: How you put it like made an impression on my life. It's thick. So Miss Jackson she I said some to her.

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I said well I'm going to have to do artists. I paint too you could look me up and I gave her.

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So she went on social media look me up. So she called me out and it was me in this other guy and we was paying this mural different things all the way down.

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So every day from like wow.

[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I caught until about six seven clock and night we were out there painting. We got to walk around it feel like we wouldn't even they locked up.

[00:37:53] Yeah.

[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_05]: But here's a thing too. They also say we get special privileges like we can go outside take a break. We go outside. We get like McDonald's eats away every week.

[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want it because we're right. They work in for them. But the guy the other guy he did all that stuff.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Me I still ate what they gave all of us inmates.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I didn't ask for anything special.

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't go outside because all the other inmates didn't get to go out. They couldn't go outside.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So and everybody all the inmates, they noticed that even the guard.

[00:38:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I still talk to I say about 90% of the inmates. I was with the guards in the police. I was with down there because they tell me like man you you made a difference in this jail.

[00:38:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, why don't you know, you really because people still nowadays and this was 2018.

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_05]: 2020 for people still my murals are still there and people still talk about.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_05]: They're like, this guy did he said that the guards were like yeah, the guy that painted this. He was the the best in me we've ever ever had.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I was like, you never arrived. He never asked for anything. He came out here and they would he was supposed to and like when we took a break I would read my vibe.

[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I still read it. I'm not saying I live the perfect lifestyle which I don't because I still have my days where I get I get lonely. I still cry.

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I get emotional. I still fight. Yeah.

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's really hard. It's hard right now. I think just to give you a little not an excuse but I don't I don't think there's a lot of male spaces anymore that are really permissible and they're they just keep fucking.

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_03]: It's like liberal women man.

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Like they just keep creating male spaces and like not allowing for it and it's so necessary for you guys to have.

[00:40:12] [SPEAKER_03]: And just having done a little bit of martial arts myself just understanding what that can do for your psyche.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And especially the men. I'm just like, this is so necessary for men to not be enraged all the time. Like this is this is very necessary.

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Like very necessary and it's not.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_03]: You're not like how do I put it at it's competitive if you make it competitive but it's not competitive when you're on the map because everybody's learning everybody's drilling everybody's pushing.

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's great. It's just bonding. It's just bonding and it's really wonderful.

[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_03]: So I just to give you a little bit of like, hey, you know don't be so hard on yourself because it's not really an atmosphere right now that they're really allowing it to be easy to be a white dude. Okay.

[00:41:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I think a white male is probably not there.

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's really hard even like now that I feel like even if I give a woman a compliment.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_05]: It's so bad. It's like I don't even know and I'm blessed that a lot of the female clients I have is not like that.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like we're nice to each other like we have to.

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Being in so like that, you know, and just put up. But I mean, I don't it's bad that in the day society.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't even hate clients my clients. I don't even I don't even hang out with my clients.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I talk to them when they contacted me first and I hate that about the industry in a way the life is now because if it was up to me,

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I would check on my clients all the time and see it.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Or you know, just do little things.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like give my hug. Like I thought we get done like, oh, you know, because they went through some stuff before that.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you as a female that is a hell of a lot more permissible, you know, like a hell of a lot more even though.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Bitches be hooking up. I don't know like you're women might really be into being with another woman. I'm just going to let you know, man. Like the proclivities run the gauntlet nowadays. I can tell you and having been hit on by other women.

[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_03]: They are far more aggressive than most dudes.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_03]: They are not except no.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_03]: I can change you.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no. No.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to say I get hit on but I get like some women I've had to get a little fment with me and it's nothing against me because a lot of them are super sweet beautiful women.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And like their soul or looks whatever I think all over beautiful.

[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_05]: But my thing I told myself, I can't ever date a client because I got to treat it like this is a business to.

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's like I don't want to date a woman and then some happiness and then I lose a potential client forever and maybe a really good client at the end of the day.

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So and dating for me is hard like everybody thinks that's the same with that two artists that I go ahead and party and I get all these women.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_05]: But no, like I said, I've practically been single since 2018. I've been on like six dates in Sam.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't like I'm looking for a partner like some like in Mary settled out with so if she wants to come on this journey.

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_05]: If I go out of town, just nothing ever worry about.

[00:44:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to chill lay back a real woman.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Real woman that's like, you know, like we have our places like you can do what she wants to but then if I want to say hey.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to go play this cup with a guy's on Sunday. Oh, you have a good time. I'll see you when you get home.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, she won't go hang out with the girls. You get a cup of coffee or like whatever she wants to do.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Fine, I'll see you when you get back home.

[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I've been that guy and I think a lot of women.

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_05]: They like the bad boy part of me because I got two sides but they don't like the nice.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: The nice we ended.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_05]: There's two points. I mean, I say we have the but then there's like William that's super nice indeed.

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they like it but they don't want you to give it to anyone else.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. But then if I'm really too nice, like if they're working all day at work and then I'm rubbing their feet on the couch watching a movie after what they don't like that.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like how do you like you don't give you. Yeah, they get rid of me 90, 9% of the time because they say I'm too nice.

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, do you want? I mean, wow, because I'm a man.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: That's actually what we're being exposed to do.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I would never tell a woman. I can't be with you anymore because you're too nice.

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_05]: If a woman comes up and wants to hug on me all day or kiss me on the cheek and say you're doing a great job or I missed you today or she brings me lunch out of like or brings me flowers.

[00:45:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, would I know I would love that. Oh my god.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: If I'm really able and over here, if you're watching this, if there's a few going to do this for him, like definitely hit him up.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how married that woman in a heartbeat because that's a real woman that really loves me.

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It wants me for me not me before what I have not trying to get a free tattoo.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Because you know that you've been there. You've done a guy's probably like, oh, I'm going to see her because she's a good look at woman.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I can get her number. Yeah.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh hey, you're doing you've been there too with guys. I saw that and you have to like, you'd be nice.

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But you got to get, I'm already, I'm sorry but I have a great man about to marry too.

[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And a lot of guys they get buttered now today. Oh, I know. Oh, I know.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You just move on. Stop, you know, like, yeah, just move on.

[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_03]: Your ego is not wrapped up into this. I swear.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_05]: It can be if you're letting it be. But yeah, when we get mad at me, if I say I don't die clients and it's not against them. They think, oh, maybe maybe they didn't have enough tattoos or maybe their hair wasn't long enough for maybe they didn't think they were pretty. I'm like trust me.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Got the end of the day, if I didn't, if I wasn't tattooing you, I would have definitely what I had.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's the test then because I would say this, like if I were sitting in your chair and I heard that and I was like really smitten with you. And that's what you said.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I think myself, okay, well, I can't get tattooed by him anymore. So I'm now I'm just going to try and be his friend.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to tell him like, hey, um, well, if that's the case then we're going to finish this tattoo and I'll pay you and then that's what it would be. But like I'm never going to get tattooed from you again, but I like to take you out on a date. Like can we go on out and date?

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like working. Yeah, like yeah.

[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a man putting all the work in. Yeah, I wish we would have grew up like our grandparents.

[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It was in rough, but it's just like it's always a romantic story and they've been married for so long to it's like I got married to John right at a high school.

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It went off to the war, but I was still here for him. I was still here waiting to get home and they've been married 60 years. Yeah, yeah.

[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Hold it.

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know. It's like it used to talk about this because I love it. Well, I think the differences God was in their life. We've lost.

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_03]: I've lost time and you know, that's the thing that really I think forges it and makes it strong in the end is the hurdles that you have to, you know, prove and everyone's mind.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to get married to my partner.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_03]: I've been with that for five years.

[00:48:46] [SPEAKER_03]: But we we we I took it back to God man. I was like listen, I want to be a part of this church. I want to be baptized into the church.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I got to start living a life that I feel is integral to my face at this point. I want to live more in a Christlike way.

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_03]: No more fornication he was pissed about that.

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I know, I need to say, babe, come on we've already done it. I was like, doesn't mean we have to keep doing it.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: That's I don't owe you that. And you know, so I really tracked it back to those more integral spaces and

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, listen, I have took look, I've I'm sorry that you're catching me now. But I'm almost 43 years old when we met. I was like 39 38.

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_03]: I said, look, I've tried every alternative route of doing this. I really thought that I could.

[00:49:42] [SPEAKER_03]: I really thought I could undo it and make it my own little thing. I thought, but now I'm understanding why it is the way it is.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_03]: And why it's formulated that way. Why marriage is this and why it's sanctioned under these premises and why it was it was created

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_03]: divinely in a certain way and to be structured a certain way. And how the values are supposed to be and what you guys are supposed to do for each other.

[00:50:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And when you vow on that day to that person, what that means? And you know, like people always say, well, you know, I can mean whatever you want it to mean.

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_03]: And like, well, I get that. But it's hard enough just getting somebody to value those core values that have been tested and

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_03]: vetted like you said throughout time and space and memorial of like people's lives. Like when you say love on our cherished through sickness and health.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Richard or poor old to death do as part. Those are very specific things. And like, and then headship like we're talking about right now is like what it is to be a man. Like I think a lot of women, you know, they think of Christianity is like, oh, you know, women have to take a back seat. I'm like, no.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_03]: We're just appreciated for how we are, how we're designed to be. And our man, the only reason why he is the lead or the headship of it is because in the creation of things if you believe the Bible, he came first and he asked for us. We are flesh of his flesh.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_03]: He's entire thing was to protect us, to make sure that we are taking care of that we are, you know, just just protected. And all of the things that he's supposed to do, he's supposed to love us the way Christ loves the church.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that he's supposed to. That's the kind of worship of us that he's supposed to be willing because he's taking that position to lay down his life at any moment for our sake.

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_03]: That's the kind of thing that's talked about really that's making you upset because it doesn't make me upset.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't make me upset. That makes me feel really good actually. I kind of want that because, you know, like life's hard man and look, I'm a pretty dynamic woman.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_03]: I know how to hang drywall, you know, like it's not like I can't do these things. But I like you. I want to partner like it's so much better when you can do it with someone.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I recognize the value of having a man, especially a man that looks like mine, he looks like every race.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_03]: I can go anywhere in the world and have a fucking pit bull like next to me that is like I and people and be like, you fuck with me or my chick and you're about to die.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_03]: I've just, it's wonderful. And he looks like he's from there. Like he could he could be a lot of things. So it's wonderful for me to have that kind of partner because I go a lot further. I'm able to go a lot more places than I would have ever without him.

[00:53:13] [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, when you're picking a partner like that, that's and we should kind of, you know, see it that way is like, you know, I don't want somebody who's just like me and neither does it do.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_03]: And a dude doesn't want a woman who's like a boss bitch. Okay, like listen, that's the reason why a lot of my issues have come if I'm honest is because I've amasculated almost every man that I've been with.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_03]: And I see this happening rampantly. They don't want you to be a boss bitch, what they want is some acknowledgement for the nice things they do that are actually nice.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_03]: That's it. It's like, yeah.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

[00:53:57] [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you or a bay that's awesome. I'm so excited for you. That's like, go you man. Like that's red.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_03]: You know, like that's what I see anyway is like, you know, I know he loves me because I'm very different than him.

[00:54:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very feminine in a lot of ways that he appreciates and because he can actually help me and help my life and be a part of my life.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think a lot of people were just trying to be like, just free floating independent bad kid bad bitches or we bad asses and it's like dude.

[00:54:36] [SPEAKER_03]: It's not how we're designed to be man, like it's not we're here to connect with each other like on a wide spanning way but like within relationships like we're designed to have a compliment.

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_03]: We just are we just are.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to tell you but we're designed to have a compliment and you know, I hear you man, I'll keep you in prayer about that that somebody comes your way.

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure it'll happen.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_03]: But I do like if a client ever goes, you know what? And you can put a PSA out for this recording.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_03]: You know what if that's the case and you won't you won't.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, like I can't date you if you're going to tattoo me that I'm just not going to attach you by you fine call your bluff.

[00:55:22] [SPEAKER_03]: And then be like.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Come out on a date with me let's hang out like you know for yeah because you know if that's if that's if they're really interested in that for a lifetime and you know.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_03]: It might just happen that like you guys really get along and that just benches for a while and then after a while they're part of your entire life and then.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Like it tattooed anyway because you're just like babe come over here I know what I said.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't get to let us because.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or you know you might be like, I don't want to look at this all the time like could you just go to some play out so I can look at somebody else's shit on you.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_03]: I'll pay for you to get somebody else's shit like let's use your body so I can go scope out this artist okay.

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Over here.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_03]: You know like that's.

[00:56:10] [SPEAKER_03]: I think you know people don't think far enough in that way but that's an attitude of abundance right like.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_03]: You know you're not thinking about the moment you're thinking about forever you know and that's what I think people who really.

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_03]: Fullly value things that's how they think of it is like.

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_03]: This has its own impact now but what will it mean years from now and if it doesn't have that kind of currency then is it really worth my time you know.

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_03]: So I like that about you I like that that's good and I'm going to put that out there because you know this is this is going to be like I love that you you know somebody paid for you to go out to why I'm.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying you know you've got to restart there was enough people to like no you cannot give this up you know we see we see your love here.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad that I I'm really excited about honestly like that you had a prison state too I did too it was like my own little version of that but like.

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_03]: I value those spaces too because you learn a lot and it just broadens your ability to love people and.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_03]: To recognize that we're all the same and.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_03]: You know kindness goes a long way.

[00:57:32] [SPEAKER_05]: You're not not thinking of us but it does it just in my time to know to sit but we have time right now it's not like you know we everybody just rush is so much now that it's like just sometimes just take a break and breathe.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah and you live you know because I like very cooler you don't so down and take a moment to enjoy life it's just going to pass us by.

[00:57:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely and what do you what are you running for I can tell you there's no trophy at the end of one.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of sucks for everyone.

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_03]: No, I love this I love this okay so.

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we covered a lot of bases we like circumvent a lot of is there a lot of is there anything that we because I love that you brought up your seminars that's something that you do and that you're willing to.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_03]: You're working at weathered road or wilted roads I'm sorry wilted rose everybody there's amazing the apprentice is amazing.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's he's well like he's keeping in.

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And his comfort zone he's not trying to get out he's making sure he does everything by the book and what we try to help him with and he sticks with that he don't like someone walk in so well you know can you do a rose and he's like.

[00:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I could do that yeah I've only been to any tells people like I'm just a prince I've only been tensed or the short amount of time.

[00:59:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll give you a half the top of one the other artists about doing it for you even though you might want me to do it because I've seen that a lot of people do go to a princess because they're not charging a lot.

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to get some tattoo which is sort of fine but at the end of the day if you're really a good mentor.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You will not let your apprentice fail.

[00:59:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, how look it I don't want to honestly I don't want to see anybody in the tattoo industry fail right but I don't also.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't want to see people keep doing it for the wrong and like the rock star lifestyle like they're out here doing all this which is fine but if your art is not getting better.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're still putting crap attention is still charging what I charge your account artists and I don't like that I cannot and no because or if you undercut me.

[00:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Because like I'll make this money and I'm gonna do this to and it's it looks like crap you're cheating the client yeah like realize there might be.

[01:00:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I know so how to I'm afraid that there is no might be there is better artists that do something way better than you if somebody wanting a mandala.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't do a lot I never have once in a gloom moon I might get one I don't consider myself really good at it but if there is a older shop or there's another artist beside me that does it.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh you need to talk to that woman and you need to talk to that guy and they're like well I really like you do us it okay I understand that I really appreciate it.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So you know I'm going to be back in the day I want to make sure you get the best quality.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah then then me getting your money and just just treating you like a number I don't I don't ever do that.

[01:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't done that.

[01:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm never going to start doing that even though if I've passed up five people that walk in

[01:01:01] [SPEAKER_05]: because I know the other guys had do that style and they do it better than me.

[01:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I mean, at the end of the day we still got the lights on, we should get the cone

[01:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: or so that's how I look at it.

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And they noticed about me feeling like, well yeah, like sometimes like I'm not tattooing

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: and they're tattooing so I go up to run the front dash answer phones or

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_05]: that's how it's going to be. It's like a lot of places don't do that no more. A lot of people

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_05]: they don't want to put the time in actually helping if you're not doing anything, help other artists.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. It doesn't make sure they're better than you. You know, or like even

[01:01:42] [SPEAKER_03]: she's enjoying your time. Like do you want to sit around and go, why am I not busy?

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you want to just get busy? Just get busy.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, do art or like even the apprentice I go over and watch him. I don't give him no

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_05]: information because it's like it's he's doing what are you doing that I don't need to speak.

[01:02:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I was watching a little bit like oh man, it looks really good. I just walk away.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty then later he like, man I appreciate you know that as I do. Yeah,

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: you're doing what's right. Yeah, but if you want to we can do a two-part series of this.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Well I'm going to break this one up into a couple pieces but we definitely need to meet again.

[01:02:26] [SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to paradise? Yes. Good. So we'll see each other in paradise. We can always do

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_03]: we can do something there. We don't have fun. Oh, let's do it. That's really cool.

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't I won't just only do black and gray because I'm not really good at color. So let's get out of here.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That's fine. I like color. I'll bring all the ink. Okay, you know what you're

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_05]: color and let me do some black and gray. Okay, is that what you're getting at? Like because I know this.

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_03]: I fucked myself over being a color artist man when it came to conventions. I'm like fuck man.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I got to travel with all this crap. Yeah, yeah. Thank you or like the last time I went in

[01:03:13] [SPEAKER_05]: it I did a tattoo. Well when that did that convention at a bidon forge and I did that big old

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_05]: skull realistic color whatever stuff. Pictures don't do it just I think I couldn't get a good

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: picture but then I did a free tattoo on the on a print as that was for another job but she loved

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: my work and she was like helping me out too or asking me because she watched. So I did a free

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_05]: tattoo and I won a best black and gray tattoo the day for her tattoo. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah,

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: it's awesome. Yeah, I was like and she's like and I really appreciate what you do to

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_05]: is bad for. Yes, keep listening to your mentors the right way to do it the right way and try to

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_05]: yourself no matter what you're doing. You know even if it's drawing tracing, you got to do all the

[01:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: flash, you got to do a little walk in make sure every tattoo you do is really good. We're

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be doing a finitri sign but a hundred and ten percent into that finitri sign. Yeah,

[01:04:32] [SPEAKER_03]: it was was my first time mentoring so I was and you know, I don't even know how I learned. I think a lot of

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_03]: it was self taught so I appreciate the failures and I give the world to my clients. I mean,

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_03]: think that's the thing that people don't really, you know, you know, because you have time under

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_03]: it. Your first people are like your OG people they don't care. They're just like whatever man like

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm building a relationship here. So you know in the beginning you want to do at least my apprentice

[01:05:01] [SPEAKER_03]: you wanted to do so much so quickly and I was like girl it takes time under the needle. Like

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what you want me to tell you, your way better than I ever was when I started. So I don't

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: know what you're trying to do here but like are you going to be uncomfortable and are you going

[01:05:17] [SPEAKER_03]: to fail? Yeah, like and I don't even know what your version of failure is but it occurs to me

[01:05:23] [SPEAKER_03]: that you care far more than even your clients do and I think that's a problem. Like I think you really

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_03]: need to. And I don't know, like I don't know if that's every what I've heard from most people is

[01:05:36] [SPEAKER_03]: when it comes to an apprentice it's like anything, you know, they're their own unique person. You have

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_03]: to respond to what they give you and what their particular challenges are and how to challenge them

[01:05:51] [SPEAKER_03]: and how to push them in the right way. She became a tattoo artist so you know and to me that's

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_03]: success we don't get along anymore but whatever man like I apparently you know I think I just failed

[01:06:09] [SPEAKER_03]: in other ways that were about you know not being a tattoo artist and not being that way like

[01:06:14] [SPEAKER_03]: we decide we weren't friends so that's cool whatever. All the better for somebody else's freedom

[01:06:22] [SPEAKER_03]: and ability to you know invest in their craft but yeah like I I have considered it because

[01:06:31] [SPEAKER_03]: these kinds of debates came up while I was teaching her was like you know can I do this tattoo?

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like I don't know can you and like and she was like look at me and my boss who was my

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_03]: mentor who was like I wouldn't let her do that right away and I'm like yeah I wanted to do the

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_03]: world when I began whether or not I was successful at doing it I don't know but I did it on people

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_03]: who were willing to go on a journey with me. I didn't lie to them about where I was at. I let them know

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_03]: about as much as they could expect and I let them know how you know we're doing a thing and you're

[01:07:09] [SPEAKER_03]: doing it for free I'm giving you something you're giving me something and see they're going to be

[01:07:15] [SPEAKER_03]: awesome or now less than it could be. I think the mentor is supposed to be there to make sure you

[01:07:22] [SPEAKER_03]: really don't fuck someone up and that you don't hurt them like with like you know like you said

[01:07:27] [SPEAKER_03]: in the beginning make sure you're wrapping your stuff right make sure that you're doing everything

[01:07:32] [SPEAKER_03]: you should do to make sure that you have a sterile you know working plane and you're doing you know

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_03]: operational tools correctly. That's more it because most tattoos you well know because you've got

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_03]: your you got where you are because of a very challenging cover up. It took you way longer you

[01:07:54] [SPEAKER_03]: wanted to but you were able to knock it out of the park so if tattoos weren't you know malleable I mean

[01:08:06] [SPEAKER_03]: tattooing over or fixing it takes a lot so that's how I kind of approach it is like let's see what

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_03]: you got kid you know you might be both a reminds but you know I mean I did make her tattoo herself

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_03]: for her second one and that was humbling because it fucked her ass out she was like this is a struggle

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_03]: not like yep yeah good I'm glad because their first one was like smooth sailing and I've talked

[01:08:34] [SPEAKER_03]: comedians before I've interviewed them and they're like you want to bomb your first time up front

[01:08:39] [SPEAKER_03]: because if you don't you are gonna bomb and it's gonna be twice as far to fall if you bomb later

[01:08:49] [SPEAKER_03]: and you think you're so awesome and then you just get hit the floor so that was kind of the experience

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_03]: so it was like she did really get her first one and then her second one she was like oh

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad he felt it and I'm glad you're feeling it on yourself and it's really it's so funny

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_03]: because with those first tattoos they take way longer you're in that like I'm fucking up I'm fucking

[01:09:18] [SPEAKER_03]: up I'm fucking like that's all that's going on in your head it's like taking so long and you're like

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_03]: well and we'll just ever and oh my god and then it's like trauma it's like literal trauma but

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_03]: when you see the tattoo like months later after it's healed you're like oh when that bed you know

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_03]: like yeah kind of heal it decently maybe I was fucking myself up the whole time

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like I've seen like

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_03]: some of my first tattoos and I'm like oh that felt really bad when I was doing it but it actually

[01:09:57] [SPEAKER_03]: looks pretty good yeah like oh all right cool all right we should would have taken less time but okay

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_03]: can I go through it you know I agree with you I mean you know each each apprentice but I like the fact

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_03]: that he is keeping himself measured and like letting it take the time necessary for him to

[01:10:20] [SPEAKER_03]: be the kind of quality that he will feel good leaving the door and then he appreciates the fact that

[01:10:26] [SPEAKER_03]: he's not only that for himself but he's that for your studio as well because he's being taught by the shop

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_03]: and if they let him just you know go out and mess people up that's gonna say something about

[01:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: the whole studio so yeah because it's joy it's joy it's actually he's a friend okay

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_05]: because I don't want a friend I don't think if I ever do a friend of somebody oh that's a question yay

[01:10:53] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's you know there's gonna have to be a lot

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: for me to do a print of somebody yeah yeah well I mean you know I

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_03]: you are this is doing that in some ways I think a lot of the the tattoo artists who've been in a

[01:11:15] [SPEAKER_03]: while they feel more comfortable doing seminar spaces and just really just kind of

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_03]: accelerating the education of people who are already in the industry then that newer space because

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: now we're having a phenomenon that is tattoo schools and so that should as being broken up

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's gonna continue to happen it's just like oh you can't stop it it really

[01:11:41] [SPEAKER_03]: but that doesn't mean that all's lost it just means that what what we are is gonna have to change

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_03]: to to fit what we where we belong in all of that and there's still such a space in fact it's

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_03]: a very valuable space you know and what's great is that the people who come to us will probably

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_03]: already be vetted and so many different ways and you know a lot less bullshit and I think

[01:12:11] [SPEAKER_03]: still will be I hope a apprenticeship I think for some of the craft like stick and poke and

[01:12:19] [SPEAKER_03]: like the OG you know hand on tattoos there's probably no other way than apprenticeship

[01:12:27] [SPEAKER_03]: you know to learn that the the peep the pervellers of that probably wouldn't let it lose unless

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_03]: it was you know they demand high things from their people and I I love that so I think it's just

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_03]: gonna diversify quite a bit you might you might you might have an apprentice you never know I could

[01:12:47] [SPEAKER_03]: I could easily see maybe the guy that you um shared time with and in jail like maybe

[01:12:54] [SPEAKER_03]: maybe somebody there is like dude I'm trying to you know get my life together and I and show you

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_03]: profilius and be like oh my god you never know like yeah that's one of my big things you got to

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_05]: kind of had a draw yeah I got it I don't know because I guess I've been drawing on my life

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_05]: and it's like yeah that I learned new stuff I was watching YouTube or this with Adder asked what

[01:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: but I mean I had that gift where I can like at 19 or 11 years old I was drawing people spaces

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah you know it's like I still can do that I can just pick up a pencil and draw so it's like I think

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_05]: a friendship I think they should know how to draw on someone not like oh I went to so

[01:13:43] [SPEAKER_05]: and so school and I got a certificate would you either see my stuff and I'm like yeah and then it's

[01:13:47] [SPEAKER_05]: like it's not really that good and I try to like break it down to him like look I'm gonna be honest

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: with you this is not good yeah this is not and a lot of people hate me for doing that but

[01:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Jordy love it because I'm like you went to our school for how many years and you did for

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_05]: rats yeah by tattooing you'll I don't like seeing people tattoo and they never for a

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_05]: grass yeah that one of the biggest pet peeve is like then stop tattooing yeah we'd have

[01:14:22] [SPEAKER_05]: a job down the road but open up new shops around established artists that are good and you're

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_05]: just doing it because you just want to be cool or yeah if you're longer great you've been doing it

[01:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: like I tell everybody I have to but I've been a person but soon as other artists that are better

[01:14:43] [SPEAKER_05]: me saying hey we'll do your stuff is kind of lacking and I get used to almost stop tattooing

[01:14:51] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I'm gonna figure out how to get it better again and a short amount of time to say I

[01:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: will give me a deadline to make it look like okay well wow yeah there you go or I am I told her

[01:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: by I said I am gonna walk away from to I will give all my tattoo stuff to whoever and I will walk away

[01:15:10] [SPEAKER_03]: and I think why well that's a lot of integrity I love I love that um I'd like to think that I would

[01:15:17] [SPEAKER_03]: too um you know I hope that uh I hope it's something very apparent that has nothing to do with art

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_03]: that really makes me do it physically uh yeah that really never culminates to me ever uh giving my

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_03]: all and pushing the boundaries in my art I hope that it's never about the art but you know I'm with

[01:15:39] [SPEAKER_03]: you the second it is I should just stop I know I will tell you this that ever since COVID I uh

[01:15:47] [SPEAKER_03]: and I put it out on the podcast I have I have stopped doing as much tattooing just because of the

[01:15:53] [SPEAKER_03]: the way I felt about people for a while like I really felt I had to fix my soul first of

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_03]: a while before I could you know meet people I could probably still do the art and I did for some but

[01:16:08] [SPEAKER_03]: I really couldn't open that up and I I'm only now I think once I get married that will

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_03]: that'll set my life in a whole different direction because I've bullied a lot of stuff to that

[01:16:19] [SPEAKER_03]: spot but yeah like I get you um that's the way it should be it's really the way it should be that's

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_03]: the kind of passion it should have and you know there's so many people to be still valuable too

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_03]: it's not like you can't instruct or assist somebody who is the next phase of tattooing from that

[01:16:39] [SPEAKER_03]: space because you can you know you can look at their stuff you can still give them insight you can

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_03]: still help them tune the machines you can still help them you know push their own boundaries it's

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_03]: it's not like that isn't a place of a lot of value still it's just you know you just know

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_03]: you that you're not you're not as fresh anymore and you're not you know able to give that as you

[01:17:01] [SPEAKER_03]: feel like it's necessary to give it so then you just pass the torch you know I'm fine with that like

[01:17:08] [SPEAKER_03]: yeah that's fine man like that's what I see when I see these kids that are like coming out

[01:17:12] [SPEAKER_03]: they've only been tattooing so long I'm like that's crazy like how are you able to do that that's

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_03]: awesome that's so cool and there's so much talent it's incredible yeah I have to pee I feel like this

[01:17:26] [SPEAKER_03]: is a nice time to bullet point this though because we've we've I don't know oh good well perfect timing

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry that my bladder is the reason but this is a good one we're gonna see each other in

[01:17:38] [SPEAKER_03]: it's it's gonna be awesome um do you have any closing remarks or anything that you want to say

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: on that I say is that oh my god it's like I'm actually thankful for you invited me to do this

[01:17:57] [SPEAKER_05]: because it brings out the real me it shows not just myself but it shows other people that

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm actually approachable yeah I'm actually if you if you come to me and ask me a question

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean I'm gonna try to help yeah regardless of how we approach it but it's better that you video call me

[01:18:19] [SPEAKER_05]: because me type and comes off so bad it's like yeah yeah I love that yeah it's like I'm grateful too

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I am so grateful that we're doing this this all day and I can't wait to like do another one

[01:18:34] [SPEAKER_05]: so yeah we can like maybe I can share some of the wheelism tricks or whatever yeah I love that

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah I can share with other people what I do to build up like my certain stuff I do whatever

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_03]: no I'd love that that's dope great collision remarks I'm very grateful for you as well

[01:18:55] [SPEAKER_03]: all right my friend will you have a blessed day and I'll see you in paradise

[01:18:59] [SPEAKER_03]: okay appreciation by my friend have a great day

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_03]: how are you today? Thank you bye. All right listeners that's a wrap with William D.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_03]: now just to recall what we said at the top of this interview in the beginning the reason why

[01:19:21] [SPEAKER_03]: William and I got together in the first place for this diary entry it was divinely inspired and

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_03]: such a great thing but he has a grifter who is assuming his identity on Instagram and so unfortunately

[01:19:37] [SPEAKER_03]: his account there is no longer a space where you will find him you will find instead as I said

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_03]: a villain somebody looking to assume identities and clamor all of the accolades that are

[01:19:54] [SPEAKER_03]: rightly William so do not follow him as of right now on Instagram he's not there whoever is there

[01:20:03] [SPEAKER_03]: trying to assume him is not him where you can find William is on a Facebook and you can follow

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_03]: both him under himself as an independent creative and then you can also follow him there under the

[01:20:19] [SPEAKER_03]: post-it rose which is his home studio in Chattanooga, Tennessee uh William you have been

[01:20:28] [SPEAKER_03]: a blessing thank you so much for your time or energy I can't wait to meet you in person

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_03]: listeners if you are a tattoo artist please please consider going to the paradise tattoo gathering this year

[01:20:43] [SPEAKER_03]: if not this year the next year we have this new feature now which is a scholarship so if you

[01:20:51] [SPEAKER_03]: you are somebody who would find it hard to stretch please go the deadline has been set

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_03]: it is September 23rd is when you have your last opportunity to apply for the scholarship

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_03]: and possibly rent like when a full ride like it's like get you there host you how zoo everything

[01:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: at the paradise tattoo gathering and then access to the most amazing amazing artists

[01:21:19] [SPEAKER_03]: and it's really intimate and cool too I'm sorry William to kind of override the the conclusion

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_03]: of your podcast with this but you're going to paradise and so I hope this is a shout out so everyone

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_03]: can meet both of us but it's on a mountain and it's a very small convention it it attracts the most

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_03]: amazing talent the most incredible seminars and on top of that we really have the opportunity to meet

[01:21:47] [SPEAKER_03]: each other um they're trying to do like a condo crawl and stuff like that so all the artists are

[01:21:54] [SPEAKER_03]: going to be we're really going to be trying to network and meet each other and make memories and

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_03]: it's going to be very cool far beyond just tattooing together it's going to be very personal very

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_03]: and so everything that William and I have talked about in this last piece of his diary entry with us

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_03]: all the reflections all of the gratitude that we've expressed towards our influences

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_03]: the people who have touched our hearts and our talent throughout the years of our practice

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_03]: we're going to make more of those type of memories and we might actually meet some of these people

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_03]: that we really admire in person so I can't stress the paradise tattoo gathering enough it is

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_03]: one of the tattoo conventions that I make sure to to make every single year every time I do

[01:22:46] [SPEAKER_03]: it is it's just it's so growth provoking every time every time so I can't stress it enough

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_03]: if you know somebody worth nominating for the scholarship you can do that as well just go to

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_03]: at togethering.com it's on the homepage that you'll find the link for the actual scholarship

[01:23:06] [SPEAKER_03]: you can apply nominate or donate to the actual funds so please go there and check it out

[01:23:14] [SPEAKER_03]: give back to if not your future then the future of someone else and as always God bless you all

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_03]: have a great great and powerful week bye everyone till next week

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