Ep. 230 "Family Support" (Diary Entry 1:2 with Jordan Kiser)
The Apprenticeship DiariesSeptember 17, 2024
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Ep. 230 "Family Support" (Diary Entry 1:2 with Jordan Kiser)

Jordan Kiser is a wonderful PMU (Permanent Makeup) artist at Magic Mirror Tattoos and Piercing, in Millersville, MD. She was awarded "Best PMU tattoo artist of 2022" and keeps aiming up. This is only Part 1 of our time with Jordan... We had a storm naturally, split our time up. I do believe it was divine.

What you'll see in this 1st piece, is that Jordan has been quite encouraged to tattoo; She'd have to have been pushed to leave a dream job where she got to swim with dogs for a living.

Thank you Jordan! Bless you for not giving up on this show when we stood you up the first time (complete mistake). We are so grateful to meet you and get to shout out your experience to this point. We're also so happy to have met some of your family.

God bless you Jordan and all our Diary Listeners!

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[00:00:00] Hello and happy Tuesday Diary listeners.

[00:00:05] I am here today with you with a two-part diary entry, but before I go on to Jordan Jordan,

[00:00:14] I do apologize I want to just highlight this epic moment in my time in my life.

[00:00:20] I hate to take the shine away from you, gunna a little bit.

[00:00:24] I am married everyone. I am now Amy Kristen Eliano, just a quick understanding though.

[00:00:34] We have agreed that I will keep my name on my artwork and as a professional name so that will not change.

[00:00:42] So you don't have to worry about my Instagram changing or my website or any of that neither will I.

[00:00:49] Without further ado, this is part one of our time with Jordan Kiser of Magic Mirror Tattoo in Maryland.

[00:01:00] She is a permanent makeup artist and we are calling this first part of her diary entry family support.

[00:01:09] And what better way to go into the future, Riko and I now won and just all the family stuff that has been happening lately is happy times.

[00:01:20] So enjoy listeners and thank you Jordan.

[00:01:25] Welcome to the Apprenticeship Diaries where raw means refine.

[00:01:28] Let's be real and we're still working on the final.

[00:01:31] When it took, when it takes and the stories that are made.

[00:01:34] Join us as we learn from professional about how their stories begin.

[00:01:47] Oh, no. I'm so grateful that you can give me another opportunity. I felt so awful. I was like, oh my god. I can't even believe that I.

[00:02:00] Whenever I have some kind of like birthday or things that are like normal that people should like, you know, want to celebrate.

[00:02:11] It just completely throws me off because I'm a kind of person that just thinks all of life is awesome and.

[00:02:18] Yeah, so I appreciate you being really graceful. I didn't even clock it.

[00:02:25] So let me introduce you since I'm audio only as far as my podcast and nobody will see us so they don't know who you are until I tell them.

[00:02:33] We're here today with Jordan Kaiser. Is that how I say you're that same? Yes, that's actually shocking. You got it right.

[00:02:40] It's a dope last name. I was like, I hope this is how you say it.

[00:02:43] A lot of people they say kiss her and I'm like, where do you see two misses? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's definitely it's an eye Kaiser, you know, at least as far as English is concerned. Yes, I got it.

[00:02:56] And you work at Magic Neurotat 2 is that correct?

[00:02:59] I do. I just started there not that long ago. Awesome. I've been up until a couple different studios, but so far this is one of my favorite in my career.

[00:03:08] I like everybody there like we all buy very well and we have on Thursday nights it's weekly paint nights. So like we are always working on keeping our creativity like at the max and I love that.

[00:03:22] Right on well, I guess, you know, let's let's break this down. So we're always about like beginnings and all that stuff and I know a little bit about you. I know that you are going from being in the tattoo world to more of the PMU side of things with like permanent makeup and stuff like that.

[00:03:41] But let's go all the way back. Like, let's go to, you know, what you were doing before tattooing and then how you got into it and then we'll keep going from there. But like tell me a little bit about the early days.

[00:03:55] So I've been working since I was 14 years old and I'm 22 now.

[00:04:01] I first started off working with dogs. Like I honestly, I had the coolest job ever I was swimming with dogs like we did like physical therapy with them and we would just swim in the pools like it was two indoor pools and we would just swim with dogs and it was awesome.

[00:04:15] But you know, doesn't pay the bills at well. But that was awesome. And when I was working there, I just kind of had the idea in my head. I was like, you know, I've always loved tattoos and my parents are covered head to toe.

[00:04:30] So like they've always been like, yeah, no tattoos are good. Pirs things are good. This is like I'm fortunate to have that kind of upbringing because like even in my age group, it was still kind of taboo for some people's parents.

[00:04:43] Like oh my god, you have tattoos. They're probably criminals. You know what I'm very fortunate to have parents like that and I've always drawn I've always painted. So I was like, you know, why don't I get into that?

[00:04:54] And I bought a bunch of cheap stuff off of Amazon and I started there on fake skin. That was probably like a millimeter thick that was nothing good to work on.

[00:05:06] No, it's fake.

[00:05:07] Yeah, I know it's fake, but it's like awful. What I was like.

[00:05:12] And it's rough because it does just for, you know, posterity for anybody practices on it.

[00:05:19] Even even really expensive machines. It dogs down the motor. So like what you're working on is not equivalent to skin. So the fake skin.

[00:05:27] It doesn't have to give a regular skin. Not that this is an encouragement for you to go gang busters on yourself or your friends with a machine that you don't understand yet, but whatever you're using on that fake skin it is taxing the motor of the machine quite a bit. So yeah, it's rough.

[00:05:48] It's very, very tough and it just like when you're working as so bad. But I did that until I got comfortable with holding them machine and basically drawing with needles, but I was like, all right, I need to prove a point to my mom.

[00:06:04] So I tattooed my foot and this I've never had any tattoos previous. I've never been tattooed.

[00:06:11] I was like, I'm going to tattoo my foot because it's really painful. I'm going to show my mom. I'm a shower.

[00:06:17] So I tattooed a dolphin like an outline of a dolphin on my foot and it came out good. My mom's like, well, it looks kind of weird with just one dolphin. So then I had to put another dolphin like they were swimming in a circle.

[00:06:32] So we were like, all right.

[00:06:35] So I started there and I was like, this is awesome. I need more. And I did a little ghost on my ankle not the same day, but I did it.

[00:06:45] And then because I was working at the pool at that time, they didn't heal very well because I was like, yes, I know how to tattoo, but I didn't look too much into the aftercare of things.

[00:06:55] So I ruined that tattoo all on my own. That was fun, but I started there and I was like, all right, I know this is what I want to do.

[00:07:07] So I applied for every apprenticeship and a 30 mile radius from my house, not a single one would get back to me.

[00:07:15] Oh my god.

[00:07:17] So is your approach if I can ask?

[00:07:19] My approach was just I was like, I'm going to figure this out. So I went to YouTube. I followed every tattoo 101 YouTube channel that I could.

[00:07:30] I talked to all the artists friends that my parents have gone to and they're like, well, I'm not trying to take on an apprentice right now, really busy. You know the spiel.

[00:07:40] So I was like, all right. So I got all the information I could went back to face skin for a little bit.

[00:07:47] Did they give you any assignments? I only probe because I try to gather for both apprenticeships and mentors. And what you're saying is very common right now, like a lot of your you're not wrong.

[00:08:02] I mean, of course it's your experience so it can't be wrong. But what I'm saying is that I hear this from a lot of people, you know, like not really wanted to take on apprentices.

[00:08:13] And but then that creates the thing of desperation as you well know of like, well, then how the how do I do this? You know, like how do I do this and there's a lot of access to alternative information and alternative ways of learning now.

[00:08:29] That if they don't take that mantle on as an educator, at least to some extent, then they're they're pretty much saying go figure it out, boo and and then they get mad when you do when you just go there and figure it out.

[00:08:47] And so I know what that's like and see a lot of the things that I've heard as a good in between with that is give them a little assignment and then have them come back.

[00:09:00] And then I want to put that out there for people who, you know, might be on the fence about like mentoring but I think that a way that you can screen the passion is by giving somebody an assignment in a deadline and seeing what they do with that.

[00:09:16] And so yeah I'm actually glad that you brought that up because one of the shops did do that for me.

[00:09:22] I went there with my little book of drawings and he looked at them, he's like these are all really good but none of these are tattooable and I was like well what does that mean?

[00:09:33] He's like, you know, you have to have certain structures to your lines, you got to have elements that can be done with a needle.

[00:09:40] And I was like okay and he showed me a couple designs like you know like American traditional stuff and I was like okay I'm starting to get it he's like come back next week with a few designs that look like this.

[00:09:52] And like again I'm not ready to take on an apprenticeship but I do want to steer you in the right direction.

[00:09:59] I was like very cool.

[00:10:00] So I did come back I came back with a couple traditional roses and he's like okay this is a good start keep working on that and I was like okay cool and like at first I didn't like traditional but now I love it.

[00:10:14] I loved traditional and especially new traditional.

[00:10:16] Yeah it's rough and I feel like you know having access to the internet it's kind of a catch 22 because if you're determined I think you'll be okay.

[00:10:28] But if you're like oh my gosh no one's taking me on as apprentice no one's doing this yada yada.

[00:10:33] It could go very bad now we have scratchers you know what I mean yeah no I've.

[00:10:39] I've witnessed that I've been witness friends of mine who had no even want to tattoo like at least they don't they don't want to do it as profession but they're there you know there artists their creatives and stuff like that and so for them it's like another medium and.

[00:10:58] They have gotten tattoo machines and like you know just enough knowledge either in getting tattoo themselves or just you know watching a YouTube video and then they'll post the post they're freaking.

[00:11:27] I know what you want to do later and you don't know what you'll get into later and I said and you don't want people who have the ability to teach you to see.

[00:11:37] What you're doing that is so.

[00:11:40] Yeah, cool they don't want to take you on I was like please you know like don't make it harder on yourself the best to be seriously I had so at my second job I make Boba in anapolis.

[00:11:53] I go to a cookie tea I love it and I love Boba too I used to not like it but I love it now I love making it so much fun really.

[00:12:05] Cool regardless I had a girl come up.

[00:12:09] To the stand and she had a bunch of like really strange tattoos on her arm and I was like those are interesting like where'd you get those done just like I did it to myself I also go boy.

[00:12:20] And I had I was like how are you tattooing your arm not getting a good stretch and stuff but like kind of realized okay she hasn't been doing this for a while.

[00:12:28] I was like how old are you and she's like I'm 19 and I was like okay and I asked her I was like are you tattooing anybody else and she's like yeah I go to hotel rooms I do that oh my god.

[00:12:39] So she gave me her Instagram to follow and I look she's tattooing without gloves on she's not wrapping anything her machine looks like it was probably 20 bucks I was like and she showed me all this and I'm looking and I was like.

[00:12:57] Yeah, not to be rude or anything but you might want to give back on the fake skin and definitely most definitely look into some PPE and look for pathogen and type of things because you don't want to get yourself sick and let alone somebody else and she's like oh I didn't you know that was a thing I was like that's concerning because I don't even they just don't understand you know bloods involved with the look pretty much all of it.

[00:13:23] You know that was good I had a similar moment it wasn't even regarding tattoos I saw a guy.

[00:13:31] Walmart cashier young and he was taking money he had just taken paper money and even a credit card or something like that like you don't know people if you're holding somebody else's cell phone like you should probably know a little bit about them if you're going to touch their cell phone because it goes everywhere them goes anywhere with them.

[00:13:52] And so like in the bathroom so like you know I saw him eat right after he and he put his hands into a bag and grabbed it out and put it in his mouth right after touching paper money and I was like hey I know this is unsolicited advice.

[00:14:12] Take it or leave it I said but you just did is very dangerous my friend I said I don't know if you're aware that money has touched everything.

[00:14:23] People's noses the butt crack of some stripper cocaine it might like it has meningitis hepatitis like all these stuff like this just on it I was like please be cautious I was like you know.

[00:14:41] I'm not a huge advocate for a lot of hand sanitizer but if you're going to eat and take money in a transactional kind of thing put some hand sanitizer on before you put you know.

[00:14:52] Yeah, even if you are aware of these kind of bloodborne pathogen and diseases I think we went through COVID long enough to know people are yucky just straight up yucky I don't know what people learn during COVID except for.

[00:15:08] What really matters to them I think that's what they learned I think they learned like who's extra in their life and who matters and I don't know if they learned much other than to be honest.

[00:15:23] It was I mean you'd hope but I when COVID happened I was like.

[00:15:30] What's going on like what is this madness like how I was really I mean but you know that's the thing is that like when you do learn.

[00:15:40] About professions and you even with dogs and swimming I mean having like a base knowledge of physical therapy and even you know having that job with the dog I did the same thing it wasn't.

[00:15:51] Not the same thing it was very similar I was like a lead walker for a physical therapist who did therapy for people with MS and you know physical.

[00:16:04] Retardation I don't know how you would say it's special needs.

[00:16:07] You know like those kind of things on horseback so she did all of her therapy on horseback because it was really good for those small.

[00:16:15] Muscles that these people needed to strengthen so that they could get walking back and motor skills and all of those things.

[00:16:23] So I did that but again it didn't pay the bills but just in those small amount of times you learn so much about.

[00:16:30] So these little little things that make all the difference when you know you're going into rehabilitation helping people engaging with the public in a very close like touch.

[00:16:45] Intimate way I mean there's not a lot of professions where you are allowed to touch somebody not only that but needing to touch somebody so like.

[00:16:55] There's a lot to it that people don't think about so that's good that you said that to the girl.

[00:17:02] I hope the rain isn't messing anything up and still don't just came out of nowhere. Okay good I wanted to make sure.

[00:17:09] No but it might add a neat like sound effect to the background they're kind of melodic sounds nice all thunder.

[00:17:17] Now that's fun zoom does a really good job of like muffling a lot of backgrounds sound I heard it a little bit but I really can't hear much.

[00:17:24] Okay good I'm going to act to it.

[00:17:32] Where we get into it. Oh so you did get an assignment he did have you did he keep giving assignments or did it just kind of fall off.

[00:17:41] Yeah fell off after that one he's just like good this is like what you want to be doing and then I was like all right cool can you like email me or text me anything if you think I should be working on dot dot dot.

[00:17:54] He's like yeah for sure and then he just never did so I wasn't going to go back and bother him again he was like a big scary old school tattoo or I was not bothered him.

[00:18:05] Well that's kind of it too is that like I do think that you don't you just don't know like I got I got hit up after I'd approach somebody with my second apprenticeship.

[00:18:22] My boss John and my mentor John I hit him up he rejected me then I went and got tattooed by him.

[00:18:31] Still wasn't offering me anything and then just one day he contacted me and he was like hey nerd check your email like I have a proposition for you and I was like oh shit and you know you just don't never know but he was basically like you weren't going away and I could tell you weren't going back so here and I was like he threw me a lot of things.

[00:18:51] I'm a bum but yeah like you really have to hit people at a deficit what had happened was his piercer.

[00:19:00] His piercer either he had to let go of his piercer and his no it was he let go of his piercer and his receptionist quit out of nowhere and so he was desperate that he needed me so he was like okay we need you now.

[00:19:12] So you know you never know what those kind of things because if it falls off it might come back but obviously that wasn't necessary because your story progressed beyond that.

[00:19:23] It's a very weird and hard industry to get into it's not like you can just go in there fill out a job application they do an interview and you're good.

[00:19:33] You got to prove yourself on the spot and even then sometimes it doesn't work out just like hey you know keep working with it's very hard and we were to get into.

[00:19:46] You know you're going to be a good one.

[00:19:46] Yeah well okay so that fell off you went back to fake skins so what happened after that what was the the next evolution boy.

[00:20:00] Now I'm sorry to interrupt in at home yes I'm in Maryland I live in Glen Bernie or Anna on the county but right now I'm in Florida.

[00:20:10] Okay I did fake skin for a little while longer and I was messing around with like all different kinds of papers and pencils and just trying to get the flow of things and draw these tattoo designs that I need to work on.

[00:20:27] And eventually I got to one and it was a sunflower and oh my god.

[00:20:34] I thought I had it I was like yes like this looks good on fake skin and I wish I had the fake skin with me to show you.

[00:20:42] But like it was like pretty saturated but because the fake skin was so bad it was just a mess but I was like yeah this is awesome I sent the picture to my aunt and she's like yeah come over right now let's do it.

[00:20:55] And I was like okay cool and we set up on this couch that was just not wrapped is such a bad thing I wrapped my machine and I worked loves yeah I mean wrapped on tattooed on a couch I'm sad to say but I did it.

[00:21:10] Yeah I unfortunately wasn't my first one on the couch I mean that like after that was my first one like on someone else.

[00:21:20] Yeah and praise God it was your aunt. She'll she'll love you beyond anything she does and she's in the other room I have to get her in a little bit but.

[00:21:29] I set up the tattoo on this big round coffee table I had all my stuff laid out it was a mess and I was like yeah let's go and I tattooed it.

[00:21:38] It looks good but it also looks like something out of a coloring book because I just I didn't understand how to use mags and things like that I just knew packed the color and it should work right like.

[00:21:51] So I did that and I was like yeah this is awesome and not only was it my first time on real skin it was my first time on scarred skin.

[00:22:02] Mm that up to go. Yeah I was like oh my gosh because what it was is I healed abscess from years ago so it's like a reader almost and she's like I just want to cover them up I don't care if it looks cartoony I don't care about anything just covered up.

[00:22:19] Okay so I did it. I was happy with it and then like two days later she's like I need to go to patient first and I'm like why what's going on and she's like it got infected I don't know.

[00:22:31] So she went to patient first and ended up getting infected and I think a lot of factors went into that the more time that I look back on it I think it was the unwrap couch and there's cats walking around.

[00:22:42] I think I didn't know what I was doing to that was her ankle it went like side of the calf okay so lower leg though yeah as I say that because I think it's a traditional place for a lot of people to do first at two's but the issue with it.

[00:23:01] I've gotten infection there too as a professional and everything it was everything was managed fine during the tattoo but because I was still working as a hair care professional and I went to work right away and I was standing all day afterwards and then you know just around foreign.

[00:23:22] And then I think it's like that it got infected and if you're dealing with something that's lower body the blood flow isn't as prevalent as the upper body.

[00:23:34] So when it's closer to the heart has a lot more opportunity to cleanse itself but when it's lower.

[00:23:40] And especially if you were doing what I was doing and not putting your feet up and not like resting like you should.

[00:23:47] You're upping the Annie so there could have been a lot of factors to that but.

[00:23:51] Praise God because like for first had two that was a lot of awareness right away they say in the stand up comedy world like if you go up and you do like a five minute kind of.

[00:24:02] Open might night you want to flop the first time it's really not good if you make them laugh right away because then you're just setting yourself up for a really bad fall later.

[00:24:14] Yeah, like I knew something was wrong because like I did know like when I started getting ready for this tattoo.

[00:24:23] You know I googled after care instructions to give her in like in a few of the videos it was like science for infection to look for and like I kept that up here and I was okay if anything goes on she's gotta go to doctor everything should be fine.

[00:24:36] Yeah, but I'm trying to write now if it was not for her and how this tattoo when I would not be talking to you today.

[00:24:45] Oh that's great though.

[00:24:47] Wonderful.

[00:24:48] It is like she healed it took a while to heal and she was like okay you're going to come and tattoo me again I saw I'm going to do what.

[00:25:00] She's like yeah no like this isn't that big of a deal I was like you must be a mad woman.

[00:25:04] It has to be she's like no like you have to learn from your mistakes so you're going to do it again.

[00:25:10] I bless her I love that.

[00:25:12] Yeah, that is what pushed me we did a little unalone symbol you know what those are.

[00:25:18] I think so yeah I think so it's like a like you'll get kind of symbol yeah so yeah the line it's like the path to life where you like start off and then there's a bunch of obstacles and you ultimately you end where you want to be.

[00:25:34] Yeah, so hers is like a straight one couple the squiggles and then it's a heart for her family.

[00:25:41] Oh like in her life just coming full circle and she let me do that in a mental out to her and I'm glad she let me do it she's like okay we're going to plan another one.

[00:25:52] So I'm very fortunate and thankful for her because I'm I'm telling you without her I would not be here.

[00:25:58] Well, and to clarify your in Florida visiting family right now on vacation right yes yeah so and and just so everybody knows like the beginning part of this I stood you up on the 25th yesterday.

[00:26:12] So that's why I was kind of like oh my god I'm so sorry and and the point of catching you on your vacation which I'm so grateful is that you have your on available to you right now that you wouldn't necessarily when you come back so I'm happy that we were able to figure this out.

[00:26:28] Before you got back.

[00:26:30] If you'd like I can go grab her so you can kind of talk about the tattoo experience if you want.

[00:26:35] Yeah, no I mean it's it's completely up to you this is your shout out and everything maybe we maybe at the end we can give her a little little shout out.

[00:26:45] Whatever whatever works is she know that you're doing this right now.

[00:26:47] Yes, yes.

[00:26:49] You're getting.

[00:26:50] Okay, well, I mean yeah, I'm all about it.

[00:26:53] I love the more the merrier. I mean if anything she probably just love to sit here and listen and interject where she can but like I love family don't get rid of that opportunity.

[00:27:03] She's the yapper too.

[00:27:06] That's awesome, but no whenever whenever you feel is a good point to bring your in we can definitely give her some some some kudos because like you just said.

[00:27:18] If it were not for her and her willingness to let you experiment on her you wouldn't you wouldn't be here before us today so I do think that deserves a little bit of a of a shout out and a you know celebrity guests moment.

[00:27:35] If you want to get her now or we can wait till the end.

[00:27:41] What are you feeling?

[00:27:42] I feel like I should do it now so that's just told that story but do it.

[00:27:46] All right, I'll do it.

[00:27:51] No worries.

[00:27:55] So awesome, that's wonderful.

[00:27:59] You're love this.

[00:28:01] Yeah.

[00:28:03] Listeners, this is the best.

[00:28:05] I love.

[00:28:06] I love people who are fresh to the industry and I love great stories is what it's all about.

[00:28:13] Um, have you that this is an experience that the current tattoo artists that are out there can have.

[00:28:22] Yeah, I need you never told me you're on.

[00:28:24] Name.

[00:28:25] I never Shannon.

[00:28:26] All right, Shannon.

[00:28:28] For you.

[00:28:29] Great, great shirt.

[00:28:31] I appreciate you.

[00:28:33] Yeah.

[00:28:33] I'm like about this tattoo I do.

[00:28:36] I know how the world can act like.

[00:28:38] I'm not going to do that.

[00:28:41] But you know, it's a really cool.

[00:28:47] It's your now cool for our first tattoo.

[00:28:49] She's ever done.

[00:28:50] You're doing it.

[00:28:51] That's pretty clean.

[00:28:53] I figured she could.

[00:28:54] I should sacrifice my skin.

[00:28:55] I already have all these stars that I really don't care what happens to them because I.

[00:29:01] Cause the damage to myself, you know, and some destructive periods of my life.

[00:29:06] But once the scars there are scars there and I thought, who cares?

[00:29:10] If she mess it up, it's already messed up.

[00:29:12] You know what I mean?

[00:29:13] So pretty good for you, girl.

[00:29:15] Look so much better with that on it.

[00:29:18] Yes.

[00:29:20] Well, yeah, I mean, you know, and not only that, but you're giving to somebody's education in the meantime.

[00:29:26] You know, like that's that's a wonderful thing and to have a first tattoo.

[00:29:31] Somebody I have won myself of someone and, you know, I.

[00:29:34] I was tattooing at that point, but to have her first.

[00:29:37] And I knew, you know, like you see what they're capable of.

[00:29:42] Like you see their potential.

[00:29:44] So I mean that first.

[00:29:46] Oh, I know.

[00:29:49] Excuse the interruption diary listeners.

[00:29:51] But I had to give a quick shout out to my friend Joel Wyman.

[00:29:57] He is the owner and operator of celestial dreams.

[00:30:02] This is a, I mean, he makes a whole bunch of stuff.

[00:30:06] But what he did for me at my wedding was create these beautiful little custom wax wax beads that you can melt.

[00:30:14] You put them in, like a, you know, like a little,

[00:30:17] little candle burner that like melts the wax and then it creates this beautiful room up for your, your whole room.

[00:30:26] It's gorgeous.

[00:30:27] I will say they were so good looking and tempting that everyone at my wedding thought that they were candy.

[00:30:33] So Joel, I don't know what we can do about that to maybe, you know, understand that they're not candy.

[00:30:40] But I did put signage up.

[00:30:42] I did shout you out and they did smell notable enough to, as soon as you put them close to your face and kind of feel them to be like,

[00:30:51] This isn't candy.

[00:30:53] I've heard from one of the people at my church that they've already started burning them and that they're smelling really lovely.

[00:31:00] My favorite scent is Egyptian musk. Well, it's one of them.

[00:31:06] But that is the scent that they are burning and I hope everybody enjoys, but Joel makes fantastic products and makes candles.

[00:31:14] He makes sense beads.

[00:31:17] Just just the gauntlet. He's been a family friend for forever and he really came in clutch for our wedding and just, you know, added something very special to the events.

[00:31:28] And I couldn't think him more. So I had to shout him out.

[00:31:32] His website is shop.

[00:31:35] CelestialDreams.com that shop. CelestialDreams.com.

[00:31:40] Go there, check out what he has to offer. He has lots of stuff.

[00:31:44] He's always working, always going and I thank you, great lead, Joel.

[00:31:49] I'm getting tripped up listeners. I'm sorry. Joel, you're amazing.

[00:31:54] Thank you so much and back to our podcast.

[00:31:58] I knew it. I was like, yeah, I don't mind being the sacrifices.

[00:32:01] Then I thought, oh, free artburg down the road. You know what I mean?

[00:32:05] I don't have to pay for it later.

[00:32:08] No, yeah.

[00:32:09] No, totally well and only that.

[00:32:11] But like I've heard other stories of people saying, like, I'll hit you up when you're good.

[00:32:18] And family friends no matter what.

[00:32:20] And what they don't realize is that as much as we would like to give that to you when we're good.

[00:32:28] We're not available or busy.

[00:32:31] And so at that point, it's like, well, you should have gotten in on the ground floor

[00:32:35] because then we'd always make time for you because you were a part of something that's so sacred

[00:32:41] and so connected to us that we have to. There's no way around it.

[00:32:47] So it's your big blessing Shannon. I mean, of course, I'm sure you're dope on but

[00:32:53] I made me cry, but I appreciate that and like I told her, you know, that could be special that you have you could say, hey,

[00:33:03] this is what I do for coverups and I say, look, you've all the practice being this leg with that leg with this arm.

[00:33:07] We have so many things.

[00:33:09] And again, I don't care. She can put them all over me.

[00:33:13] I don't care.

[00:33:14] Well, she knows how to do permanent makeup.

[00:33:15] So like, you can talk to me to that. Yeah, but I'm getting it.

[00:33:19] You go and get their girl to swing.

[00:33:23] But yeah, I don't know, like if you didn't keep believing in me after that, like I would not be talking to her.

[00:33:30] She won't let me cover it up either because I don't want to mess with that anymore.

[00:33:34] I think there's so many other things, but it was bad, but I also think my body said, hey, I'm not used to this.

[00:33:42] You kind of started this whole process again. Yeah, again.

[00:33:48] I look at what she does now compared to like if she worked today to draw something and I've given my her,

[00:33:54] her my scarf the difference between that and what she does tomorrow. Like hello.

[00:33:59] Yeah, well, and only that, but like I was trying to, I was trying to tell Jordan that, you know, it could have been a lot of factors that complicated.

[00:34:07] If you were already going into something that already had an access that already had complications, the body's already struggling with that area anyway plus the fact that it's a lower body.

[00:34:17] So there's a lot less blood flow if you're standing, if you know you're probably you seem like you don't stop moving Shannon.

[00:34:25] Yeah, so like you probably just were like, okay, just go and go home with my day.

[00:34:30] Like I did that.

[00:34:31] It was funny. I had a few jobs and one of the guys from Coke who was delivering some Coke at my job.

[00:34:39] It was very effective obviously it was pussy, it was nasty.

[00:34:42] And he said, what is that on your like you said there's no early, let me look it up.

[00:34:46] I mean, I was like, oh my leg up there and I've got them check out the whole thing. He's like, this is awesome.

[00:34:54] Yeah.

[00:34:56] In this funny.

[00:34:57] That's crazy. I love, I just these things like it's good that you're critical of yourself, Jordan because that that shows a lot of character but like,

[00:35:09] It's amazing the things that bind us, you know, the vulnerabilities, the imperfections, all of that.

[00:35:16] That's that's the money stuff, man because none of us are perfect and like you're more right.

[00:35:22] You know, the more that I share with people in this, I'm like, oh, I'm not that weird.

[00:35:27] I mean, I shouldn't, you know, I'm not going to give myself any breaks but like, I'm not that crazy.

[00:35:32] I'm not that weird. You know, like it's, it's that's awesome. I love that story.

[00:35:37] Yeah, it's well, I am so happy that you are, you know, you all are visiting right now.

[00:35:45] And now do you live in Florida?

[00:35:47] Heck, no, I wish. I, um, I just looked like it now. I've been in the sun. But oh, no, I live in Maryland. I live right on the street.

[00:35:55] Oh, beautiful. Oh, the cake. Good. I'm glad that you'll be able to keep supplementing.

[00:36:01] Yeah, the education and all that good stuff. That's good. No, that's good.

[00:36:05] We're visiting my grandparents, her parents.

[00:36:08] Oh, beautiful. Well, so good all up. And I am very grateful that both of you are giving me time.

[00:36:15] While you're trying to spend it with them, I'm very, very grateful. This is a cool moment because we're recording it and what puts up gets put on the internet last forever.

[00:36:25] Sure. You guys are able to go into detail. I'm like now they don't need to hear all the drastic disgusting details.

[00:36:31] I think they'll be good.

[00:36:34] I wouldn't, honestly, Jordan, I wouldn't let you touch it either. I'm just going to tell you right now.

[00:36:38] That's okay. I mean, I know I don't look for that out of her in the beginning because I kept taking us paranoid. I kept taking pictures on like, I don't think it's infected. It's not infected.

[00:36:49] It's okay. It's just this and we're back and forth and she's like, it was a lot. Like I bet you if you screen shot in the combos and stuff I was saying, I probably drove her insane.

[00:36:59] Well, it's good.

[00:37:02] It's very good. That's a good foundation because I've had people, I've had people now with fully heel tattoos like contact me after like a five.

[00:37:11] It was like a minute TikTok video being like, is anything going to happen to me? It's saying the tattooing's your toxic and I'm like, whoa.

[00:37:19] Wait.

[00:37:20] What's going on with your tattoo? Well, nothing. I just saw this TikTok video and I'm like, oh, I'm man.

[00:37:27] I'm like, oh, we're thinking of you look get off Google first of all. And I was a lot of my mistakes too. She was my tattoo Google because I did Google and I said, I'm going Jordan and then I'm like, I'm a bit demying.

[00:37:42] It's good. That's really good. I mean, it shows a lot of care.

[00:37:46] It's, you know, I mean, we all got to be there for each other when it's when it's needed and you were in both regards. So, you know,

[00:37:56] You don't get into the people business if you don't genuinely love people. So, yeah.

[00:38:02] Yeah, and Jordan seems like that kind of person just being like, well, I want to do a great job. You know, like I, you know, I probably was a good foundation, good education.

[00:38:13] And at least she did my second tattoo as well, but it's totally fine.

[00:38:18] I also would not let her do anything was widespread. I was like very small lines, but I also don't like pain.

[00:38:24] I don't like it. I don't, I still don't understand why everybody enjoys it. I don't get it. But hey, two inches up.

[00:38:29] Yeah, you're in your perfect person because it's not going to be it's very measured. It's very, very measured. Oh, that's awesome. I love it. I love it. I don't like pain either.

[00:38:39] No, and I'm sure if I was in it because we did it. Did you tell her we did it at my home? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:38:45] You know, I each and every time she touched me like well, I feel back for like I was not a pleasant patient.

[00:38:52] Oh, you were not.

[00:38:56] That's the thing is it like that's a very clean tattoo for what you're telling me.

[00:39:02] Yeah, it does not look I don't see. I don't see well after you get a picture of that so that you want to see those she probably have a picture to do take. I took hundreds.

[00:39:12] I don't know we'll figure it out. I deleted them because I don't want to keep looking at them.

[00:39:16] No, we don't have to see it in in in in transition up the foot just like it'll picture now like it's actually pretty dope with what all it's gone through. You know, like it's pretty solid from what I could tell.

[00:39:28] Some of the color has fallen out, but like honestly for what happened and the inks that were used not bad. I don't know why I guess in my mind I'm like, okay, so here's the scar it's round let's make something perfectly right I don't think my input helped it all.

[00:39:47] You know what I mean? Well, that's another that's another education in itself is like you know knowing what input to take and what not to take and you know I mean you're both kind to each other. So like you know you're both willing to come off both of it so it you know it's a lot of lessons that's great. I mean I love it.

[00:40:09] I love how raw and analog this is it's pretty good. We have another giant one on my right hand leg that long story short I actually my god in jail. I was in jail. Oh yeah, and I got my legs so up and the way that they sorted up it looks like a cross so.

[00:40:28] Oh, it's a little bit more I say okay you have this much canvas. Do you know what she does she knows what I like let her do whatever it is she wants to do and have that story yeah love that story you guys should document it when you do it.

[00:40:46] You should have podcast episodes. I was going to say we have a podcast episode not coming in. Well and you know like just the whole story like like you know just set up your phone and hit record and get the you know while you're hearing all the sounds inside it.

[00:41:01] I mean I think is like that and just tell about you know all of it like I would be a really cool.

[00:41:09] cathartic moment I think.

[00:41:12] So I would tell them my whole story but that's not something that you want to sit there and talk to when you're talking about tattoos that's something like you want other people it's a good idea to record it and then let other people you know for your family only like it might be just something that like you never know what happens but like that's a part of your journey that you never know.

[00:41:31] What that'll mean to somebody you know so I think it's not another people with scars and that's the thing that people who have the kind of scars that I do feel like there is no hope and if you ask me that's hope.

[00:41:44] Yeah, yeah have you ever heard I'm sorry I'm going on a tangent but if you're heard about Danny Treho's come to fame as a because he was imprisoned for a long time you as.

[00:41:59] The name sounds for my.

[00:42:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, look him up because dude that story and he like ran out to some like and ripped a shirt and I have you on my chest.

[00:42:16] And she invited him to things giving after they had done a desperate out of together and he just felt so honored because he was like you know like you just said, you know after you've experienced those things that like in society or such huge faux paws.

[00:42:32] You just think of it. How could I ever climb out of this you know, but that's what's so great about tattoos and about talking about it and like just you know kind of feeling the pain of all of it just enough so that everybody kind of is aware and then you're over it.

[00:42:49] It's not like you're over it, but it's like you're like oh wow it's it's not the end.

[00:42:57] Yeah, I got through it. Yes exactly. I felt what I needed to and I learned and I got through it and now there's so much that's awesome.

[00:43:06] And it's really great. I love it. Shannon you're the light.

[00:43:09] Thank you. I try I'm not standing people out.

[00:43:17] Yeah, that's so bad. I was like no.

[00:43:21] It's okay. It's a turn.

[00:43:29] That's the third.

[00:43:31] It's only to look at my, you know, you have these things where you're like,

[00:43:34] ah, you know, I don't want to be attached to my phone.

[00:43:36] I'm attached to my phone. I need my phone.

[00:43:38] Like if I don't have it on me and I'm not checking my schedule.

[00:43:41] I don't know what the hell's going on. And I just,

[00:43:44] just completely,

[00:43:46] alright, it's my birthday.

[00:43:48] But it wasn't, but like if you were like, let's celebrate.

[00:43:51] And I was like,

[00:43:54] I'm getting back to how long did that?

[00:43:57] I did ask earlier, but we moved on a little bit.

[00:43:59] How long did that first tattoo take you Jordan?

[00:44:02] And do you guys remember?

[00:44:03] I never probably like two hours or so.

[00:44:07] It was just a long time.

[00:44:08] It was a long time.

[00:44:09] With that little tattoo.

[00:44:11] Yeah.

[00:44:12] I think I was moving at like seven volts.

[00:44:15] Like I was moving so slow and I was just like,

[00:44:18] alright, okay.

[00:44:19] Cool.

[00:44:20] And then like we had issues with like,

[00:44:22] yeah, like remember yellow. Yeah.

[00:44:25] Yellow would not pack for some reason.

[00:44:27] So I heard like, really in and unfortunately.

[00:44:31] Okay, sorry.

[00:44:32] Okay, I was just like,

[00:44:35] really, well if I keep doing it.

[00:44:37] Yeah, no, I know it's awful.

[00:44:39] I would never do that today.

[00:44:42] Oh, thanks.

[00:44:43] You're up. Sorry.

[00:44:46] We're all now.

[00:44:47] Like hopefully everybody's listening.

[00:44:49] Like this is in the past.

[00:44:50] You know, like this is, you know, we're coming off of it.

[00:44:53] But like it's just, it's it's so fun to laugh at when we,

[00:44:56] when now that we know it is and about a terrifying,

[00:44:59] but now it's like, oh my god, I really did that.

[00:45:02] You know what?

[00:45:03] I'm hilarious.

[00:45:03] I went through the carnival.

[00:45:04] No one has ever made a comment on this tattoo because

[00:45:07] well, it's different.

[00:45:08] I mean, you're looking at it when we're dyslady from the carnival.

[00:45:10] Stopped me.

[00:45:11] She said, Oh, my God.

[00:45:13] I love your cat.

[00:45:14] I said, Oh, I told her the whole story.

[00:45:16] I'm like,

[00:45:17] She did this.

[00:45:17] This lady's like, why did I ask this woman about this tattoo?

[00:45:23] She opened the flood game, man.

[00:45:25] She opened the floodgates.

[00:45:26] She had no idea.

[00:45:28] It's not right.

[00:45:30] But it's good.

[00:45:31] This is good.

[00:45:31] She now you can just refer anybody to the podcast.

[00:45:34] You can just be like, listen,

[00:45:35] I did a whole podcast about it.

[00:45:37] Go listen.

[00:45:37] Yeah, sure.

[00:45:38] I already gave out the podcast.

[00:45:41] I, she showed me a little eye on it.

[00:45:43] It's all the people of my work.

[00:45:44] I'm like, you guys got to listen to this.

[00:45:46] I have no idea what's going on.

[00:45:47] But hopefully you won't see me on video.

[00:45:49] You might hear about it.

[00:45:51] Check out your audio only.

[00:45:53] We're audio only.

[00:45:54] I want to, I want to progress the video one day.

[00:45:57] But I think it's kind of nice because I think there's a lot of beauty

[00:46:00] to just voices.

[00:46:02] You know, I like it.

[00:46:04] It's a great thing.

[00:46:07] Yeah.

[00:46:07] You use your words.

[00:46:09] You didn't get the box because of how they are hearing it when I was

[00:46:12] I don't know how I want to be a DJ.

[00:46:14] I was right on.

[00:46:15] But guys, just because I talk a lot, that's all.

[00:46:17] That's not a big thing.

[00:46:18] It's still hope it's it doesn't people like to think there's a lot to,

[00:46:22] to, to podcasting.

[00:46:23] Honestly, you go to a place like Podbean.

[00:46:26] You pay 15 bucks a month.

[00:46:28] I think it is.

[00:46:29] They sponsor an RSS feed.

[00:46:31] You get a cheap ass mic.

[00:46:34] I mean, of course, the better equipment as we well know.

[00:46:36] The better.

[00:46:37] The better.

[00:46:38] Going to get things.

[00:46:39] You can scale it and all you got to do is record it and then post it and look, why not just do it.

[00:46:47] You got stories girl.

[00:46:49] Girl, she got stories.

[00:46:51] You both do.

[00:46:53] Yeah.

[00:46:54] You're a yeah.

[00:46:55] I mean, do it.

[00:46:57] I know a few people now that just, I mean, this was just a, this was just a pass.

[00:47:03] It still is a prash and project.

[00:47:04] I don't make any money doing this.

[00:47:06] I just love it.

[00:47:06] I love connecting and we're talking to people.

[00:47:09] Why not?

[00:47:10] Yeah.

[00:47:10] Totally great.

[00:47:13] Awesome, man.

[00:47:14] Well, I guess we'll get back to the main event.

[00:47:18] But it was good.

[00:47:20] Good to meet you.

[00:47:21] Great shirt, by the way.

[00:47:22] Nobody can see her, but she's got woodstock and snoopy on her shirt with touch of America.

[00:47:29] So.

[00:47:30] I love it.

[00:47:31] That's like.

[00:47:32] That's amazing.

[00:47:33] My mom would, so, she would be so happy with that.

[00:47:36] Sure.

[00:47:37] Good night, Jessica.

[00:47:39] Good night, Jessica.

[00:47:40] God bless you.

[00:47:41] I'm your awesome.

[00:47:42] She's awesome.

[00:47:43] Thank you.

[00:47:44] I'm glad you left.

[00:47:45] Come on.

[00:47:46] Oh, yeah, no.

[00:47:47] I'm, thank you.

[00:47:49] Thank you for it.

[00:47:50] It always adds, you know.

[00:47:52] I figured it would.

[00:47:53] Like a running joke between us all is that, like we're certified.

[00:47:57] Yeah, first.

[00:47:58] So, like.

[00:47:59] It's kind of amazing.

[00:48:00] We get to do this.

[00:48:01] You know?

[00:48:02] Oh, yeah.

[00:48:03] she got to come on here because she's, you know, I think it's cool hearing from the first person I actually tattooed, you know what I mean?

[00:48:12] Yeah. And like these her who can yet. She's a very, uh, I find people, I really like people with, um, past. So she should

[00:48:22] she should look into, um, having a podcast. I think she'd love it. And if she always wanted to be a DJ,

[00:48:28] do do it. You guys could do something together, be super fun. Plus she lives close to you and be a neat family thing.

[00:48:35] Yeah, I think we should, because she really does have a crazy like story. Yeah. Yeah. If you're

[00:48:42] really fun, I mean, you never know, but at least if anybody's like, oh, you know, like,

[00:48:48] oh, you know, they try to make you feel guilty for the time you spend and be like, where's your podcast, man?

[00:48:53] Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? That's, that's what I always do. I'm just like,

[00:49:00] well, what are you doing to climb in life? Like, let me let it okay. I showed you my shit and you

[00:49:05] criticize it. And I'll take it, but like, don't I don't I get to look, look at what you're doing and

[00:49:11] criticize you? Yeah, right? We all have those moments, but like, I feel like no one should be able

[00:49:19] to judge her. No. Yeah. Like, she's done a lot of things to help a lot of people like there's a

[00:49:26] program you're in Maryland, right? Mm-hmm. So you might have heard of it like, strengthen in families?

[00:49:32] No, but we talk about it a little bit. So strengthen in families is for children whose parents are

[00:49:40] addicts of or maybe and like show a half, like, hey, like this is what I went through. This is

[00:49:47] what my children went through. Like, here's how we can help you and get you situated and stuff like that.

[00:49:54] And you know, here are many people doing that. It's a very, very small business to know people.

[00:49:59] She does that. She wears three jobs. She doughnates so much stuff. Oh, my goodness. It's amazing.

[00:50:07] We just did a little food drive, not that long ago. Oh, that's wonderful. I'm glad I know about it.

[00:50:12] Now, I'll look into it now that I know about it because that's good to know. Some of my good

[00:50:18] friends are in AA or sponsors or things like that. I'm sure they know but if they don't,

[00:50:26] I have a couple recovering addicts as friends. They always need, you know, extra support and things

[00:50:32] like that because it's really hard. It's very challenging. And especially if you're a parent on top of

[00:50:37] that struggle to and then of course the kids, you know, like they're completely innocent. So

[00:50:42] all the help that can be had, that's great. That's wonderful. Oh, shout out. Strengthening families.

[00:50:49] Yeah. Seriously. That's awesome. Oh, well, plus her, man. That's great. I'm so glad. That is a

[00:50:55] success story. And yeah, she could always shout out, I mean, I don't know. She might have,

[00:51:00] you have to get permission from the actual organization, but it could be a project that maybe

[00:51:05] sponsor who knows for her to do a podcast, just to spend awareness and to like, you know,

[00:51:13] as tell people about what it's like and, you know, and just help in a broader way. Because I think

[00:51:18] that if we're able to talk about it, it cures a lot up. It just does. Yeah, that's really, really cool.

[00:51:27] All right. So you must hurry up and then you down. Because it's not bad.

[00:51:33] It's not horrible, but it's like it's not my best work. No, but that's not the point.

[00:51:41] Yeah. That's not the point. You know, it's like me, girlfriend of mine has, and I did this painting

[00:51:48] when I was 13 and it's a business. It's awful. And she loves it. And she chose to be forever.

[00:51:54] She's like my daughter has anger in a room. And I was like, if I wasn't possession of that,

[00:51:59] I would have already painted over it. And she's like, you will never touch this. This is like my

[00:52:04] prize possession of yours. It's like, oh my god. It's terrible. You understand exactly how I feel.

[00:52:12] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And she, she trots it out whenever she can. I'm like, damn it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:52:20] But you know, that's good. I mean, it's good. You know, she's, she's been my friend since we were two

[00:52:25] years old. So, I mean, that's your aunt. You know, it doesn't get more rider die than that.

[00:52:31] You know, yeah. So, I feel you. It's hard. It's hard, man. Like, I don't know. Like, we always,

[00:52:40] it's good that you keep very hard or hard and high expectations for yourself. So, that's a good

[00:52:45] thing about you. Very much, though, like being perfectionist, it helps, but it also hurts.

[00:52:51] Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I'm glad you know, if you're moving into, you know, make up application

[00:52:58] and stuff like that. Have a perfectionist kind of thing. That's really good. That's really good.

[00:53:03] I guess we should get into that. The permanent makeup side of things.

[00:53:07] Well, I mean, how did you, so did you go right from tattooing tattooing to then

[00:53:14] learning to do the, how did that, how did it transition? Let's do that first and then.

[00:53:20] So, I was working out a coffee shop at this time. It was a non-profit thing. And on my way to work

[00:53:28] every day, I would see like it was a shop in Pasadena and it had, like one of those road signs.

[00:53:35] It just says permanent makeup on it. And I was like, what the heck is that? And like, it's just,

[00:53:41] I just never heard of it. And the one day, I just got so curious. I was like, okay, I'm going to

[00:53:50] eyeliner. You can tattoo that. So, like I looked into it. I looked into it. And I was like,

[00:53:56] okay, and I looked for some courses to go do it and learn it. And the course that I chose was

[00:54:05] $14,000. It was an expensive, so I had to get my aunt Karen. She helped me out.

[00:54:12] It was like, all right, I'll pay for it. We better stick through it. I was like, okay,

[00:54:16] like, I will. And I learned eyebrows and eyebrows only. At this early. So, with that course, we got a machine,

[00:54:27] we got a starter kit of ink, fake skin. And it was two months long. So the first month was all

[00:54:36] like structure pretty much and learning everything getting your bloodborne pathogen certification,

[00:54:43] and just everything you need to know about like, I guess lecture is the word, like, I'm a college

[00:54:51] funk out. I don't know. Yeah, it's not. And then the next month was doing models, mess around on fake

[00:54:59] skin, and getting set up for your business. So I just met. And that that was a journey itself.

[00:55:08] Like, because I'm just watching the computer all these classes that I have to do. And I was like,

[00:55:14] this looks so hard. I don't know if I can do this. Because it's crazy. You're tattooing someone's face.

[00:55:20] You know what I mean? And they're like, oh, it doesn't go that deep. It's technically semi-permanent

[00:55:27] makeup. Oh my god, this is so confusing. But when you got to do the in person stuff,

[00:55:33] that's when everything started getting better. And I remember my first client, I was shaking like a leaf.

[00:55:39] But I got through it. I did good. My first client in their my model, she had finished off all of

[00:55:47] her cancer treatments. And by the end of all that, she had lost all of the hair on her body except

[00:55:54] for her eyelashes. My, like, after all my work with the face skin, Lisa, she was the instructor.

[00:56:02] She's like, you're going to handle her. It was like me. Let me be me. Oh my god, I'm scared.

[00:56:07] Yeah. I said, no, you can handle it. I was like, oh, god, okay. So I took a while to map her out

[00:56:15] because she had no hair and you have to go off of the nose and then corner points of the eyes and

[00:56:21] like just map out of perfect brown and also listen to how they draw it on. I feel bad for her

[00:56:27] because she was using like sharpies and stuff to draw them on because they would stay longer than

[00:56:32] make up. So I was like, I need to nail this for her. Oh, no, did I lose you? Are you still there?

[00:56:44] Did your storm knock you out? We have a temporary disruption for the moment.

[00:56:58] I'm going to hold tight for a second and make sure Jordan, you froze. I don't know if you're

[00:57:07] still speaking, but I don't know if the storm there, man, it's it's Florida. So who knows

[00:57:14] what might be happening? The storms there are pretty gnarly. It's good day to be inside though.

[00:57:24] Oh, no. We cut us out. Maybe I'll I'll wait here for a second. I'm going to keep talking to you

[00:57:31] guys. Just for a moment we got briefly, briefly interrupted and I'm going to try and contact

[00:57:40] Mr. Jordan on the back end. I'm still here. Still here. Did you lose?

[00:57:57] Please, Barry. Okay, listeners. That's part one. I decided to use the storm that interrupted

[00:58:08] our podcast and kind of took Wi-Fi away for a bit as a way to end our podcast for this week.

[00:58:18] It seemed divine, divinely intervened. So come back next week for part two about Jordan and

[00:58:26] check her out if you have any needs of her in it makeup or if you just want to talk to her

[00:58:32] and express some some interest. Please go check her out. She's at Magic Near Tattoo and her Instagram is

[00:58:40] Jordan does PMU. J-O-R-D-A-N-D-O-E-S-P-M-U. Got that listeners? Go follow her. She's a budding talent.

[00:58:54] She's very sweet. She has a lot of love behind her, but who couldn't use more?

[00:58:59] All right, listeners. Have a great one and thank you so much for all the support and love that

[00:59:04] you've given. Rico and I over the years this podcast was kind of founded upon our relationships.

[00:59:11] So we're so very grateful and now we're both Ilianos and we're going to hit this like a team all the way

[00:59:17] until eternity ends. At least for us. All right, listeners. Love you. God bless. Have a powerful week.

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