Ep. 234 "The Family That Plays Together" (Diary Entry 2:2 with Lewis Bunn)

[00:00:00] Hello, Diary listeners. Welcome back. We're here with Lewis Bunn or Louis Bunn. This is the second part of his diary entry with us and we're calling the second half The Family That Plays Together. Check it out listeners enjoy.

[00:00:21] Welcome to the Apprenticeship Diaries where raw meets refined.

[00:00:25] Let's be real, we're still working on refined.

[00:00:27] What it took, what it takes, and the stories that are made.

[00:00:30] Join us as we learn from professionals about how their stories begin.

[00:00:42] I'm like, all right, you know, I mean, I'm not gonna stop it, you know, whatever.

[00:00:47] But what I don't like is the implication that I'm a meanie.

[00:00:53] And it's like, no, no, no, I'm all about rehabilitation. That's fine. You know, like...

[00:00:58] So over there, if you're a felon, you can still tattoo professionally.

[00:01:04] Oh, because one, I'm not one.

[00:01:10] Um...

[00:01:11] Because that's what I forgot to say here with the licensing.

[00:01:15] You can't have a criminal record and you've got to be fingerprinted as well.

[00:01:18] So your fingerprints are all on file.

[00:01:20] I got you.

[00:01:22] Well, see, so this is what I know.

[00:01:24] I am, I am licensed in a state outside of my own because I visited there regularly.

[00:01:32] And I wanted to hold a license in a state that was, that was pretty regulated.

[00:01:38] Um, so I hold one in Rhode Island and they do fingerprint you in order to have that license.

[00:01:45] Um, you know, so like, like that, it's the same with me.

[00:01:51] Uh, and they do ask, they, every single year they ask you, have you been connect, you know, connected to a felony?

[00:01:57] Has there been any, you know, uh, charge against your license?

[00:02:01] Has there been any kind of thing like that?

[00:02:04] Yeah.

[00:02:04] Yeah.

[00:02:04] And you have to like pay them to keep it current.

[00:02:07] And it's, it's every year that they, they have you pay for it.

[00:02:12] But, um, you do have to answer those questions.

[00:02:15] I don't know what would happen because I've never said yes to any of those questions.

[00:02:19] Like I've always said, Nope, no felonies.

[00:02:22] Um, but for instance, in Maryland, it's an unlicensed state.

[00:02:28] So that's the reason why I wanted to carry a license in another state, like in another state, because.

[00:02:34] I like to travel and I like to know what other places are doing for the regulations.

[00:02:42] And, you know, to have that paperwork fairly up to date and in accordance with all of that.

[00:02:48] Um, just because I feel like one, it's responsible, but two, it's, it's also, um, it's, you know,

[00:02:57] gathering information and kind of calling things out.

[00:03:00] Cause I recently went to Oklahoma and their board is absurd.

[00:03:04] It is dumb on its face.

[00:03:07] Uh, I, I, I was like, what?

[00:03:11] They should have charged more and asked for less.

[00:03:14] Like that really, like, that's what it really should have come down to.

[00:03:17] I basically told the guy, I was like, you realize this is inhospitable, right?

[00:03:22] Like I have been tattooing for 16 years and the shit you're asking me to provide.

[00:03:29] I've one, I've already had to provide most of it to some of it.

[00:03:34] I've never heard of in my life.

[00:03:36] Like what in the hell, man?

[00:03:38] Like, all I want to do is come to the beautiful state of Oklahoma and work.

[00:03:44] Like what the hell is this?

[00:03:47] But yeah, uh, in Maryland, there's nothing.

[00:03:49] So in Maryland, it is unregulated, which blows my mind because it's a very, it's very close

[00:03:56] to DC and in all other ways, Maryland is very regulated.

[00:03:59] Um, so here you can just get an apprenticeship and you can learn from anybody.

[00:04:06] And like I said, I hear, I being a felon, wouldn't, wouldn't bar you from somebody seeing,

[00:04:17] seeing who you are and like knowing what you're about.

[00:04:21] Um, met a lot of people who have rehabilitated from drug addiction and like moved into tattooing

[00:04:27] and done wonders for their lives.

[00:04:29] And, you know, it really, really rescued them and gave them something, you know, hopeful.

[00:04:35] So yeah, like it here.

[00:04:37] And that's why I'm, I'm kind of like, I don't know.

[00:04:41] I get regulation.

[00:04:42] I get, I get some of it.

[00:04:43] I'm with you.

[00:04:44] Like I see where you want to have some, like you want to have, you want to have a fence.

[00:04:53] Yeah.

[00:04:54] It doesn't mean that no one's going to jump over it.

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:58] But there's a lot of bullshit that a fence keeps out, you know?

[00:05:02] Cause you know, yeah, you, it's just money, isn't it?

[00:05:04] You know, as soon as they dig a bit too deep in that, it's like, Oh, we want money for

[00:05:08] this now.

[00:05:09] Now we want money for this.

[00:05:11] Oh yeah.

[00:05:12] Well, and the reason why I was really big about, um, the prisons teaching it is because

[00:05:18] for me, that's a level of government overstepping that I feel like is going to be very problematic

[00:05:26] to our industry because once they start putting themselves in that kind of education position,

[00:05:35] that's just beta testing for what they're going to make the whole state have to be supplicant

[00:05:41] to.

[00:05:42] Yeah.

[00:05:42] And then they're going to take over the education of it as well.

[00:05:45] And then it's a, it's a, it's a thing that closes the loop.

[00:05:49] You'll, you'll have to learn what the regulations dictate and we'll be the ones teaching you.

[00:05:54] So we're collecting money on all ends, you know, like that's what it is.

[00:05:57] Um, and, and then there won't be, um, the kind of really cool grassroots learning and, um,

[00:06:09] you know, the punk rock thing that, that tattooing is, you know?

[00:06:13] Yeah.

[00:06:14] I mean, for you, it's kind of bullshitty because you know, you had to like scrape for it.

[00:06:21] And then there's a lot of that too, but like, I'm sure you learned a lot.

[00:06:25] I don't think I would have wanted it any other way though.

[00:06:27] I like to feel like I've earned it.

[00:06:29] Yeah.

[00:06:30] No, that's just me.

[00:06:32] Do you guys have those, um, uh, what's it called?

[00:06:35] Incan sip is what we have here where you have like a, um, a painting sip where people paint

[00:06:42] and drink wine, like a little course, but now they're doing bloody tattooing and drinking.

[00:06:47] So they're teaching you how to tattoo whilst drinking with your mates, like a fun night

[00:06:52] out.

[00:06:52] They started doing that here.

[00:06:54] So that's again, I would have thought that you guys definitely would have had that.

[00:07:04] No, I mean, not.

[00:07:06] You've just been in prison.

[00:07:08] That's fine.

[00:07:10] Yeah, exactly.

[00:07:11] Not, not, not sanctioned.

[00:07:13] Not, I mean, I would say it would ha it happens.

[00:07:16] I would say it happens.

[00:07:17] I mean, I can't, I can't say that.

[00:07:20] Um, I can't say that I haven't with my clients not drinking.

[00:07:24] Cause I don't really, I'm not a big drinker, but I've definitely smoked pot with my clients

[00:07:29] and we all, you know, we're stoned.

[00:07:31] No, no, this is like, um, say, say you've got a group of say 20 people, all mates or they're

[00:07:36] all women, uh, hens do or something like that.

[00:07:39] They pay this course or for a night.

[00:07:43] So you get three, four hours.

[00:07:44] So this guy comes around tattoo machines, tattoo needles, supplies the alcohol, shows

[00:07:51] them how to tattoo.

[00:07:52] Then he gives them all fake skins.

[00:07:54] They spend three or four hours tattooing fake skin.

[00:07:56] And then.

[00:07:57] So yeah.

[00:07:59] Oh, no, but sounds like a lucrative business.

[00:08:08] They're everywhere at the moment.

[00:08:09] Hey, no, we only have the drink and paint ones.

[00:08:13] We only have, we only have that at least that I know of.

[00:08:16] And those are prevalent.

[00:08:17] A girlfriend of mine wanted me to do that one night.

[00:08:19] I'm like, I don't know how to do that.

[00:08:20] I don't, that's not how to paint man.

[00:08:22] But we did create some really dope paintings.

[00:08:24] I do have a whole other business, uh, model for that, that, that isn't formulaic.

[00:08:32] Like, like a lot of, uh, yeah, those kinds of things are because they're just like lead

[00:08:37] crafts, you know, it's just like, you know, let me show you this and here you go.

[00:08:42] You get your fake skin to take home with you.

[00:08:44] And you made a painting.

[00:08:49] It's bonding.

[00:08:50] It's like, uh, you know, going bowling with your, with your company, you know?

[00:08:56] Yeah.

[00:08:57] I guess if you look at it.

[00:08:59] I guess, I mean, people do like a lot of weird stuff now.

[00:09:03] Like I, the thing that blows my mind is the rage rooms where people go in just to break

[00:09:08] shit.

[00:09:08] Like they'll pay to break.

[00:09:10] Like do good at the dump.

[00:09:11] Like you can't find a few things in your house to like throw over an edge and smash

[00:09:16] the dump.

[00:09:17] Cause I know I can, uh, if I really needed to take some shit out, uh, I'm not paying to

[00:09:23] go to somebody's woods to scream.

[00:09:25] Okay.

[00:09:25] I'll find woods and I'll scream.

[00:09:27] All right.

[00:09:28] Like what the hell are you doing?

[00:09:29] What's going on?

[00:09:30] Like, I do, there's going to be, I do think there's going to be a bubble that pops with all

[00:09:39] this cause it's a lot of luxury.

[00:09:42] Yeah.

[00:09:43] Yeah.

[00:09:43] Yeah.

[00:09:44] It's got all pop.

[00:09:45] Yeah.

[00:09:46] I mean, well that, and, uh, do they provide all the tattoo machines?

[00:09:53] Like the event?

[00:09:54] Wow.

[00:09:56] Wow.

[00:09:58] They can't be good tattoo machines.

[00:10:01] No, there's gotta be some stuff.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:05] I was just telling people earlier today or the girl that I was talking to today, I was like,

[00:10:09] you know, the fake skin, it's really bad on the motors of these machines.

[00:10:14] Like if you're doing a rotary machine, um, it's, it's not good for the machine itself

[00:10:21] though.

[00:10:21] Cause it doesn't hit like skin.

[00:10:23] Uh, it's basically like a softer plastic or rubber kind of thing.

[00:10:28] So that's what I learned.

[00:10:29] I learned on, uh, plastic.

[00:10:31] So, you know, like plastic plates.

[00:10:35] So I just, I, that's what I got taught to learn on.

[00:10:38] That's how he taught everyone.

[00:10:40] Plastic plates.

[00:10:41] Then skin.

[00:10:42] Wow.

[00:10:43] Really?

[00:10:44] Interesting.

[00:10:46] Yeah.

[00:10:46] So dude, that's crazy.

[00:10:50] I do like now.

[00:10:51] I think you'd be really good at it.

[00:10:53] Um, just, just for things that are fun for your Instagram.

[00:10:58] Um, cause you really are good with gray and shading is the, uh, is the pens that they

[00:11:04] have now that you can attach to your machine.

[00:11:06] You can do the dot.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:08] I think you'd be good at that.

[00:11:09] Yeah.

[00:11:12] I think you'd be good at that.

[00:11:14] I think you'd have like a nice Instagram kind of thing.

[00:11:17] Cause you did some beautiful, beautiful artwork.

[00:11:19] Um, you know, and you know, just, just gray shading.

[00:11:24] It's pretty, very beautiful.

[00:11:27] Um, that could raise the intrigue for people like, Hey.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] When I work, I tried it with just a biro, but that light shade,

[00:11:39] I didn't say hard with a biro, right?

[00:11:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:43] Hey, you know, I've done pretty good pieces, but I've ended up just fucking thing.

[00:11:48] You can't do that.

[00:11:49] You gotta let your kids look at it first.

[00:11:52] No, I let it destroy it and then throw it out.

[00:11:57] Well, see, that's, that's even better.

[00:11:59] Definitely record that and put it out.

[00:12:01] You can bring them, you can bring them into it.

[00:12:04] Um, there was a guy that I interviewed, uh, John in Scotland.

[00:12:10] And his three year old, I think she was three.

[00:12:15] Um, she like was obsessed about his iPad and he's like, dude, I just got this thing.

[00:12:20] Like you need to settle down.

[00:12:21] Like you're not getting an iPad, but then he thought about it and he was like, well,

[00:12:27] I'll, I'll, you know, like I'll let her play with it.

[00:12:30] She'll get like an hour.

[00:12:31] And so like, he would let her play with it for an hour.

[00:12:34] And so she'd, she'd watch what he did.

[00:12:36] And she was like, oh, I'm like daddy.

[00:12:38] And she would make like flash sheets of her like little designs.

[00:12:41] And she was pretty good.

[00:12:42] Like she'd make these cute little characters and stuff.

[00:12:45] I mean, they looked like a three year old, but he ended up making them into flash and creating

[00:12:51] flash days of his kids work and people got her tattoos.

[00:12:56] And so he cut her commission and he, he started like paying her a commission for her artwork and,

[00:13:04] and saving up.

[00:13:05] And he said, it was really great because you know, it's always crap taking your kids to

[00:13:10] shopping anywhere because they want everything.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:14] And so he was like, you know, she'd want something and he said, and she go, daddy, daddy, I want

[00:13:19] this.

[00:13:19] And he was like, okay, well you can have it.

[00:13:22] You got money.

[00:13:23] Like you got money, but you know, you buy it and it's going to take a lot longer to

[00:13:28] get that iPad.

[00:13:29] And so he would watch her at three, be like, well, that's my day.

[00:13:35] Yeah.

[00:13:35] And then she would say, no, I want my iPad.

[00:13:40] And now she's doing, now she's doing scratches in the backyard somewhere.

[00:13:44] I don't know.

[00:13:45] But like, I was like, dude, that's brilliant.

[00:13:47] That's brilliant.

[00:13:48] Why not?

[00:13:48] Cause you know, people, people love that.

[00:13:50] And you know, that's a very special thing, you know,

[00:13:53] Do a whole video of it.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:55] Real.

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:57] Right.

[00:13:58] And you know, you got, you got three of them.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] So I don't have to design them.

[00:14:03] Like they can just design everything.

[00:14:05] I don't know how you got to do any work.

[00:14:07] You got, you got three special days, three special flash sheets.

[00:14:11] Be like, you get an hour with my iPad.

[00:14:13] Go.

[00:14:15] If they want it.

[00:14:16] Dad, dad, we've deleted all of your files accidentally.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:21] Yeah.

[00:14:21] That would be rough.

[00:14:23] That'd be rough.

[00:14:25] I know.

[00:14:26] Right.

[00:14:26] Like, Hey, you can only stay here for an hour.

[00:14:32] Believe me.

[00:14:33] Yeah.

[00:14:33] No, I think it was just like, it was super genuine and working out for him, but he like turned it into such a beautiful success story.

[00:14:39] And I was like, that is awesome.

[00:14:42] That's cool.

[00:14:42] Next generation as well.

[00:14:45] Mm hmm.

[00:14:46] No.

[00:14:46] Yeah.

[00:14:47] Oh, totally.

[00:14:47] I mean, I just love the fact that he gave her an awareness of money, like really quick.

[00:14:52] Yeah.

[00:14:52] And that was cool.

[00:14:54] That's really cool.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:56] You got to make your kids.

[00:14:57] Huh?

[00:14:58] You got to make your kids earn it.

[00:15:00] That's for sure.

[00:15:00] Oh yeah.

[00:15:01] But your kids are really cool.

[00:15:03] Um, they're really into skateboarding and stuff, right?

[00:15:06] Do they surf?

[00:15:06] Uh, skateboarding.

[00:15:08] My, they don't surf anymore.

[00:15:10] My oldest doesn't skateboard as much.

[00:15:13] She's hell bent on her music.

[00:15:15] So she's flat out with her music.

[00:15:17] Nice.

[00:15:18] My boy is into his boxing.

[00:15:20] So he's had his first fight and I think he's got another one coming up in October.

[00:15:24] Dude, that's awesome.

[00:15:26] Yeah.

[00:15:27] And the youngest, the seven year old, she's just into everything.

[00:15:30] But mainly, uh, we had her birthday.

[00:15:33] Oh no, she's eight now.

[00:15:34] Eight last week.

[00:15:35] Her birthday was like a whole art thing birthday.

[00:15:38] So she's well into her art.

[00:15:39] Oh, that's so cool.

[00:15:41] That's really, really cool, man.

[00:15:43] I love it.

[00:15:44] I love the, uh, the eclectic group that you have there.

[00:15:48] You know, hey, it's awesome.

[00:15:50] No, it really is.

[00:15:51] I love that your boy is boxing.

[00:15:53] That's great.

[00:15:54] Um, yeah, he tried to teach the sports before.

[00:15:56] Cause he was always like shell, like in his shell shy.

[00:15:59] He tried lots of different sports.

[00:16:01] Didn't like it.

[00:16:02] Cause I used to box as well.

[00:16:03] And he's like, dad, I want to try a box.

[00:16:05] And I'm like, hell yeah, let's go.

[00:16:06] And he just loved it.

[00:16:08] Absolutely.

[00:16:08] Loved the discipline.

[00:16:09] Loves all of it.

[00:16:11] I think, I mean, honestly, I feel like any kind of martial arts or things like that.

[00:16:16] It's good for everybody.

[00:16:19] Um, but I can see.

[00:16:20] He kicks my ass now as well.

[00:16:23] Dude, that's awesome.

[00:16:24] Now, how old is he?

[00:16:25] 13.

[00:16:26] He's just under six foot.

[00:16:28] And he hits bloody hard.

[00:16:30] I spar him now and he nearly knocks me out of the ring.

[00:16:34] Dude, that's rad.

[00:16:35] That's really, really cool.

[00:16:36] I love that.

[00:16:37] I love that.

[00:16:38] That's really awesome.

[00:16:40] That makes me really happy.

[00:16:41] No, that's a great, that's a great bunch, man.

[00:16:44] They can all influence each other.

[00:16:45] You know, they can sponsor each other's event.

[00:16:48] You know, she can open up for him with a music event.

[00:16:52] Your daughter, freaking tattoos them all afterwards.

[00:16:56] Celebratory.

[00:16:57] It's like, it's like a one, one family show.

[00:17:03] I'm telling you, man.

[00:17:04] And then there's you.

[00:17:06] That's cool.

[00:17:07] That's awesome.

[00:17:08] What does your wife do?

[00:17:10] She used to be a hairdresser, but now she's childcare.

[00:17:13] Oh, that's perfect.

[00:17:14] Wow.

[00:17:14] That's awesome.

[00:17:15] That's dope.

[00:17:16] Yeah.

[00:17:17] I find a lot of correlation.

[00:17:18] Do you, does she, did she find a lot of correlations with the tattoo journey and,

[00:17:22] um, and doing hair?

[00:17:25] Um, yeah, she does.

[00:17:27] Yeah.

[00:17:27] That's why she quit doing hair.

[00:17:31] Right on.

[00:17:34] That whole process.

[00:17:35] Well, I'm the opposite.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:37] I'm like, I love that whole process.

[00:17:39] I did too.

[00:17:40] I loved it too.

[00:17:41] I just really want to do art more than, than anything.

[00:17:44] That's really cool though.

[00:17:45] That's really cool.

[00:17:46] That's awesome.

[00:17:47] I love it.

[00:17:48] Well, what, um, who are some of the people that you look up to in the industry that you'd

[00:17:53] really love to meet?

[00:17:55] I'm curious.

[00:17:56] Um, Bob Tyrell has always been my favorite.

[00:17:59] Hey, I'm hanging out with him this October.

[00:18:03] No way.

[00:18:04] That's sick.

[00:18:05] Yeah.

[00:18:05] He was the main guy.

[00:18:07] Him and Lau Hardy.

[00:18:09] I know he does like old trad.

[00:18:12] I mean, I don't do too much trad, but I just love his old punk and his old skinhead kind

[00:18:16] of trad tattoo.

[00:18:18] He's a fucking awesome man.

[00:18:19] Hell yeah.

[00:18:20] Yeah.

[00:18:21] Bob's going to be a paradise.

[00:18:23] Yeah.

[00:18:23] No way.

[00:18:24] Yeah.

[00:18:24] I love his skulls.

[00:18:25] His skulls are just another level.

[00:18:28] If I run into him, I'm going to see if I can like get him on the horn with you.

[00:18:35] So you can say hi.

[00:18:35] Yeah.

[00:18:36] He's really sweet.

[00:18:37] He's very sweet.

[00:18:38] I've got a little guitar pick.

[00:18:40] Uh, one of the artists gave me a few years ago cause they met him at a convention and

[00:18:45] he brought in cause he told me like, Oh, here's your favorite.

[00:18:48] I told him Bob Tyrell and he goes, Oh, here's his pick.

[00:18:50] And I was like, fuck yes.

[00:18:51] I've got it framed upstairs.

[00:18:53] Dude, that's awesome.

[00:18:55] Oh, he's, he's a really sweet guy.

[00:18:57] Um, amazing artists.

[00:19:00] The main reason I like, I like Bob Tyrell is because I can kind of resonate with how

[00:19:07] he started cause he started in his late thirties.

[00:19:09] I think then.

[00:19:10] I'm pretty sure.

[00:19:12] I'm not a hundred percent sure.

[00:19:13] I'm pretty sure.

[00:19:15] I think I was 37, 38 when I first started.

[00:19:18] I was like, I was like, you look so young man.

[00:19:21] Yeah.

[00:19:22] Look at me.

[00:19:25] You're aging well, my friend.

[00:19:27] Yeah.

[00:19:28] Everyone says that.

[00:19:28] Hey, I can pass for like a 32 year old.

[00:19:31] Maybe you could, uh, you could 14 year old.

[00:19:37] Yeah.

[00:19:38] No, I mean, you know, this just got started young.

[00:19:41] That's all.

[00:19:42] Well, I was like, if Bob could do it, I can do it.

[00:19:45] That's all.

[00:19:45] Well, and your works very, I feel very similar to his as far as like the, the kind of gray

[00:19:50] shading that I saw out of you in the beginning.

[00:19:53] That makes a lot of sense.

[00:19:55] That makes a lot of sense.

[00:19:56] Yeah.

[00:19:56] Yeah.

[00:19:56] I can see that.

[00:19:58] Oh man.

[00:19:58] I hope you get to meet him.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] That'd be sick.

[00:20:01] That'd be awesome.

[00:20:02] I know.

[00:20:03] He's a really, he's a really dope dude.

[00:20:05] It bothers me that I've met him.

[00:20:09] And you have, you know, like it really does.

[00:20:14] It really fucks me up.

[00:20:16] Cause you know, like I I'm, that's why I have this podcast.

[00:20:20] Cause I have been so just blessed.

[00:20:24] I don't even, God must love me because of the people I've met in this industry already.

[00:20:30] And I just.

[00:20:31] You were the biggest.

[00:20:33] Dude.

[00:20:33] I, I didn't even know.

[00:20:35] I didn't even know when I, when I was in their presence, it was kind of, it was kind

[00:20:39] of messing up my mentor.

[00:20:41] He's like, you don't even know who these people are.

[00:20:43] And I was like, no, I don't.

[00:20:44] My first mentor, he was like, um, get on with guys.

[00:20:49] Look at all his work.

[00:20:50] Look at how he does it always.

[00:20:52] Biotech and that.

[00:20:53] So I used to watch heaps and heaps of YouTube videos and just all of his stuff.

[00:20:57] Oh, that's great.

[00:20:58] Yeah.

[00:20:59] Cause like we hit my, my mentor is always talking about flow.

[00:21:03] I was like, what do you mean?

[00:21:04] And he'd try and explain it.

[00:21:05] He's like, just go watch some of guys videos.

[00:21:07] I was like, ah, yeah.

[00:21:09] Yeah.

[00:21:10] Well, see, and that was the only that honestly, that could be the only critique that I would

[00:21:13] have of your work.

[00:21:14] And the beginning was because you were designing for a rectangular page, which worked.

[00:21:20] But once you get into the body, you have to design for the body.

[00:21:25] Exactly.

[00:21:26] Mm hmm.

[00:21:27] There's no edges.

[00:21:28] Yeah.

[00:21:30] Or if there is, it's like, it's weird.

[00:21:34] It's designing for this whole other shape that, that has to like fit and flow.

[00:21:40] And you're like, what, what do you mean?

[00:21:43] Well, there's so many people out there who have been doing it years and they still don't,

[00:21:47] they still don't know what flow is.

[00:21:49] There's a lot of fucking hell.

[00:21:51] Yeah.

[00:21:51] Well, and you know, sometimes it doesn't.

[00:21:56] Sometimes the genre kind of works against it too.

[00:22:01] Like it, it depends on what you're trying to do.

[00:22:04] Like sometimes the old traditional stuff, it's very decorative and design oriented.

[00:22:08] It's, you know, it doesn't have the flow per se, but the precision and the like, it kind

[00:22:14] of creates it into something other than a body part.

[00:22:19] Um, Guy's very big about the organicness and I think, you know, working with all things.

[00:22:25] Um, he is, he is such a great person to watch.

[00:22:29] I'm glad that you, you, uh, watched a lot of him.

[00:22:32] That's good to put out.

[00:22:33] I shout out.

[00:22:34] Constantly, man.

[00:22:35] I love, I love Guy.

[00:22:37] Guy is the guy.

[00:22:39] All the, all the heavy hitters, man.

[00:22:41] I've just studied everything.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:43] It was like, Oh, Joe, Kepo Bianco, all of his pinup stuff.

[00:22:47] He's going to be there.

[00:22:49] I think at paradise.

[00:22:52] I'm pretty sure.

[00:22:53] I'm pretty sure he was there last year.

[00:22:55] I'm sure he's going to be here this year.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:57] That'd be dope.

[00:22:58] They were even talking about possibly having me, uh, interview him and I was like, Oh,

[00:23:02] man, that'd be amazing.

[00:23:04] Yeah.

[00:23:05] A lot of his stuff at the very beginning.

[00:23:09] Like I've just copy his stuff.

[00:23:11] Yeah.

[00:23:12] Just for color work really, but.

[00:23:14] Want to feel it.

[00:23:15] You know, sometimes when you're copying somebody else's work, you kind of feeling out their

[00:23:20] process and like how they, how they create their images and stuff.

[00:23:24] I like, I like that sometimes feeling how somebody perceives things and what, what their

[00:23:29] style is.

[00:23:30] Um, it's fun every once in a while.

[00:23:33] He's a, he's a good one to do that with too.

[00:23:35] Yeah.

[00:23:36] Yeah.

[00:23:37] Yeah, no, totally.

[00:23:39] No, it's got, you gotta, you gotta, if you make it to the States, you gotta do a paradise

[00:23:45] with me.

[00:23:46] Cause Oh my God, you're going to die.

[00:23:49] Like you're going to die.

[00:23:50] What?

[00:23:50] Oh my God.

[00:23:53] We'll be fanboy.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:57] Yeah.

[00:23:57] No, it's awesome.

[00:23:58] And, and it's great too, because, um, yeah, and you could bring your entire family

[00:24:04] family and that would actually be really fun.

[00:24:06] Cause it's on a, I mean, they usually have it at like a resort kind of place.

[00:24:12] Yeah.

[00:24:12] They've been having it.

[00:24:14] Huh?

[00:24:15] The same.

[00:24:16] Yeah.

[00:24:16] Yeah.

[00:24:17] Uh, recently.

[00:24:18] Yes.

[00:24:19] But we, I've gone to events that they've had out in New Mexico at like this luxury resort

[00:24:24] hotel.

[00:24:24] That was like incredible.

[00:24:26] There was like infused water everywhere.

[00:24:28] Like they had.

[00:24:30] Like melon, melon, cucumber water or a strawberry, cucumber water or basil, strawberry, cucumber

[00:24:38] water.

[00:24:38] Like it was just everywhere.

[00:24:40] Wow.

[00:24:41] Like everywhere.

[00:24:42] Tattoings changed as a day.

[00:24:44] And it was free.

[00:24:45] And you just walk in places.

[00:24:46] There's like in the corner, there's like infused water.

[00:24:49] Um, no, like.

[00:24:51] 10 years ago, whiskey and Coke.

[00:24:53] Now it's infused water.

[00:24:54] I'm telling you, man, like my, my boss at the time, he was like, this, this is like

[00:24:58] awesome.

[00:24:59] I think I should start like infusing water and offering to clients.

[00:25:03] That lasted for like a month, maybe.

[00:25:05] And it was like, this is a lot of fruit.

[00:25:07] This is a lot of prep work that we got.

[00:25:11] No shit, dude.

[00:25:13] But it was nice.

[00:25:15] It was very nice.

[00:25:16] And it was very good water.

[00:25:17] And when you're in New Mexico, it's dry.

[00:25:19] So it's like, just.

[00:25:22] I hear like, oh, this water is really good.

[00:25:26] But no, they've had it at other venues.

[00:25:28] They're building it back up again.

[00:25:29] So it's, it's starting from a more integral, like baby point and going to build up again.

[00:25:34] So, um, Jiminy Peak is like, it's a gorgeous mountain.

[00:25:38] It's, it's in Massachusetts.

[00:25:39] So it's a really nice spot.

[00:25:41] Yeah.

[00:25:42] I would imagine they'll do it at other places eventually.

[00:25:45] Um, but it attracts the crowd.

[00:25:48] The crowd comes to the event.

[00:25:50] Um, so it really doesn't matter where you go.

[00:25:52] Um, at that point with New Mexico, um, Alex Gray was actually there.

[00:25:59] The guy who did all of the tool, uh, for the.

[00:26:03] Yeah.

[00:26:04] The guy who did the covers and things like that.

[00:26:07] And the artwork for them.

[00:26:08] He was, uh, he was there and he was, uh, him and his wife, his wife's also an artist.

[00:26:15] Um, he led, it was crazy.

[00:26:17] It was, um, they had these yogis, uh, nude model for us.

[00:26:23] And we went through all the chakras and Alex had created playlists for every chakra.

[00:26:30] So we were like, we would do these poses and I don't know how long they were.

[00:26:35] They were, they were like five minute poses that we went through each chakra.

[00:26:39] Five minutes is hard to hold.

[00:26:41] Um, but these yogis would hold these poses and he, he, he guided us through each, each chakra

[00:26:48] and what, you know, to focus on what the color was like, what it said, what we should be,

[00:26:54] you know, like thinking about feeling.

[00:26:56] And we would, we would just do these.

[00:26:57] It was awesome.

[00:26:59] Um, that's great.

[00:27:02] Um, and they're great events.

[00:27:04] Like there's people.

[00:27:06] They, they focus on so much.

[00:27:08] Like there was a, um, Jen Shakti.

[00:27:11] She did, um, she, she taught yoga in the morning.

[00:27:15] Like if you wanted to wake up super early before all of the artwork started, she, she guided

[00:27:19] a yoga class for everybody.

[00:27:21] Me and yoga aren't that good.

[00:27:23] We're not that great.

[00:27:24] We don't, you can always get better.

[00:27:27] I gave it a go.

[00:27:29] I gave it a go in January.

[00:27:32] Like we had, um, the whole studio got together and instead of like a Christmas party, we

[00:27:37] did, um, some like acrylic, you know, the glow painting.

[00:27:42] Oh, we did that.

[00:27:44] No, we did yoga, but fuck it.

[00:27:46] Yoga.

[00:27:46] Yeah.

[00:27:47] Nah, I'm not that flexible.

[00:27:50] Well, but you're strong though.

[00:27:51] Right?

[00:27:52] Yeah.

[00:27:53] Yeah.

[00:27:54] I just flexing.

[00:27:56] And I guess I think it's because it was a very hot day.

[00:27:59] I was outside.

[00:28:01] I think it was like 38 degrees, humid a hundred percent.

[00:28:05] Yeah.

[00:28:06] I was over fresh towel on my back rolling around the grass.

[00:28:10] You're like, no, I don't know.

[00:28:12] I mean, that was all that was confronting a lot of things though.

[00:28:18] Like you're outside.

[00:28:19] You're not even just, it's, you know, like dusty, humid, all that, you know, like you're

[00:28:24] encountering grass.

[00:28:26] Like, I don't know.

[00:28:28] I felt good afterwards though.

[00:28:29] Like the next day my body felt okay.

[00:28:31] I was like, this is all right.

[00:28:32] I do feel good for it, but not all the time.

[00:28:41] Well, you know, you gotta, I find with yoga, I probably wouldn't want to.

[00:28:48] I don't know.

[00:28:49] I wouldn't want to do it outside.

[00:28:51] I don't know though.

[00:28:54] I don't, I don't know.

[00:28:55] I like the control of a studio to work out.

[00:28:59] Yeah.

[00:28:59] You know what I'm saying?

[00:29:01] No, it's just buying you to bits as you're doing it for an hour.

[00:29:04] Yeah.

[00:29:04] I mean, if I'm going to go outside, I'll go for a hike.

[00:29:07] I'll go for a while.

[00:29:08] I mean, you know, you're getting workout when you're going on a hike and you're like,

[00:29:11] yeah, I'm going to go into the top of that mountain and I'll come back down.

[00:29:16] You know, like that's, that's a day, you know, like that's a workout.

[00:29:19] Like, I don't, you don't need, you don't need anything else.

[00:29:23] Um, but I'm going to do outside that.

[00:29:27] I'm going to see some shit.

[00:29:28] I'm not going to just stay in one place and stretch and do poses.

[00:29:33] No, no, no.

[00:29:36] Yeah.

[00:29:37] And I'm not going to have ants.

[00:29:38] That's the thing.

[00:29:39] It's bugs.

[00:29:39] I don't want, you got to be moving.

[00:29:43] I don't want bugs as an issue.

[00:29:44] That's a big thing.

[00:29:46] That's much of the sun.

[00:29:47] Anyway, cause like, she's like breathing, breathe out, focus on where you need to be in there.

[00:29:53] And then a motorbike would go by.

[00:29:54] So I'm like, Ooh, what bike was that?

[00:29:56] A car would make a noise.

[00:29:58] I'm like, that car is a cool sounding car.

[00:30:00] Oh, that's what?

[00:30:01] A bird in the tree.

[00:30:03] She was like, yeah, I don't think it's just for you.

[00:30:06] No, that's not the point.

[00:30:08] That's not the point.

[00:30:10] The point is, is to analyze how your brain works.

[00:30:16] And we ain't got time for that mate.

[00:30:19] Well, and that's the thing is that like, I, people have always been like, you know, meditation

[00:30:23] and stuff like that.

[00:30:24] I'm with you because I feel like I meditate best when I'm doing something like I'm a very

[00:30:31] active.

[00:30:31] Yeah.

[00:30:32] Meditator.

[00:30:33] So you asked me to sit still and I'm like, why?

[00:30:38] Yeah.

[00:30:39] For, for what?

[00:30:40] I'm not, I am an artist for a living.

[00:30:44] It doesn't get better.

[00:30:46] Okay.

[00:30:46] Like it doesn't get more purposeful and awesome.

[00:30:52] I am.

[00:30:53] My whole life is nonsense.

[00:30:55] The very fact that I can do it is a sheer grace of God.

[00:31:00] Like you want me to sit here and contemplate why I don't care why.

[00:31:05] Okay.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:05] It's awesome.

[00:31:07] Okay.

[00:31:07] It's awesome.

[00:31:10] I just want to do more art.

[00:31:12] I'll do more art.

[00:31:13] I'll think about it while I'm doing art.

[00:31:14] Yeah.

[00:31:16] I should not.

[00:31:19] Diary listeners, pardon this brief interruption, but I wanted to shout something out.

[00:31:24] Uh, a new social space called tattoo social has been created.

[00:31:30] It's a very cool space.

[00:31:31] And I wanted to let you guys know that in the show notes of this, uh, podcast, we will be giving you a link.

[00:31:39] If you would like to check out this, this space, it's not just for tattoo artists.

[00:31:43] It's for a tattoo enthusiast, people who want to keep up with discussions and ask questions and, uh, show artwork and show tattoos and, and share travel.

[00:31:54] And for, I mean, it's the gauntlet, it's really, really cool.

[00:31:58] Um, I am very excited about this space.

[00:32:01] I think it's a wonderful hub where, you know, a bunch of people can gather and figure out what's, you know, next, how to collaborate.

[00:32:09] It's pretty cool.

[00:32:10] So, uh, check it out, uh, set up your own account, your own, uh, your own voice and character there and introduce yourself.

[00:32:20] Like I said, it's not just for tattoo artists.

[00:32:22] It's for enthusiasts, collectors to go tattoo social.

[00:32:27] The link will be in this show notes.

[00:32:29] Thank you listeners.

[00:32:31] Back to our podcast.

[00:32:36] That's how I feel about it too.

[00:32:37] I don't really, I don't really meditate.

[00:32:39] Well, I pray and that's different.

[00:32:42] Yeah.

[00:32:42] Yes.

[00:32:43] Um, you know, prayer is very active, but I don't meditate.

[00:32:47] I don't analyze my thoughts.

[00:32:48] It gets, it would get too dark.

[00:32:50] Uh, I think.

[00:32:52] Yeah.

[00:32:53] Um, okay.

[00:32:55] So, but I, Bob Terrell makes sense.

[00:32:57] Um, what's next Louie?

[00:32:59] Like, are you, are you just going to keep going to, you know, get better and better and better and

[00:33:04] Yeah.

[00:33:05] I'm always, always progressing.

[00:33:07] I know where I want to be in my head with my work.

[00:33:11] So I'm just progressing with that, but I'm happy with like, where I'm at the people I'm

[00:33:15] with.

[00:33:16] We're all like good bunch or family, like relate, like family orientated.

[00:33:22] Studio is amazing.

[00:33:23] I've just got to keep nailing it down the work where I want to go.

[00:33:27] I know where I want to go.

[00:33:28] I've just got to get there.

[00:33:29] Yeah, man.

[00:33:30] No, that's awesome.

[00:33:31] I love it.

[00:33:32] I'm, I'm so happy that you're now in a place that, you know, is kind of growing you a lot

[00:33:39] more and giving you some next level things.

[00:33:42] That's really awesome.

[00:33:43] Yeah.

[00:33:44] Well, I just love how, I don't know, just no egos.

[00:33:47] There's no rock stars.

[00:33:48] It's just fucking chill people who love doing what they do.

[00:33:52] Yes.

[00:33:53] Yes.

[00:33:53] Which is what, that's what I want.

[00:33:55] Yeah.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:56] Yeah.

[00:33:56] And that probably goes to your, you know, band days as well.

[00:34:01] Yeah.

[00:34:02] Yeah.

[00:34:03] You'd really enjoy, I think, and he would enjoy you.

[00:34:07] I think halo at black Lotus tattoo.

[00:34:10] He's a, he's an incredible artist, but he was in a band and all that stuff.

[00:34:15] And, um, he's just got, he's so talented, but he, I, I think you guys personality would

[00:34:24] mesh well.

[00:34:26] And the ADD would just, cause he's always, I don't, I don't even know.

[00:34:31] I don't even know how he does it.

[00:34:37] Like, but he just has so much, um, drive in him that it's incredible.

[00:34:43] Um, I really want to have a paint night with him.

[00:34:46] Uh, we do do.

[00:34:47] Where's he based at?

[00:34:48] Is he near you?

[00:34:49] Is he?

[00:34:49] Yeah.

[00:34:50] He's right near me.

[00:34:51] He's about like, I'd say 25 minutes away from where I live.

[00:34:56] Um, yeah.

[00:34:58] Um, I have, I should guess by it with his shop.

[00:35:02] That would be really cool.

[00:35:03] I know he would, I know he would let me, I really enjoy him as a human.

[00:35:07] Um, I, I love, I love watching his life.

[00:35:11] He's actually creating a, um, a tabletop game right now, um, with like a full story there.

[00:35:20] They're going to create, I mean, it, it seems like a huge production, but he's creating cards

[00:35:25] like, like magic cards and stuff like that.

[00:35:28] But it's his own, his own game.

[00:35:30] He's calling it oath to embers is what it's called.

[00:35:33] Hold on a minute.

[00:35:36] I'm telling you.

[00:35:39] Watching his, you should check him out because he'll, he just does the digital artwork right

[00:35:44] there in front of you.

[00:35:45] Oh, wow.

[00:35:47] Oh, it, it, he is incredible, incredible.

[00:35:52] Um, and what he does a lot then he did for a while was, um, I want to attend one.

[00:35:58] Uh, he did a lot of illustration conventions and, um, illustrational kind of events where

[00:36:05] illustrate top illustrators would come and teach.

[00:36:08] And he met people like, do you know, like Boris Vallejo and Julie Bell.

[00:36:15] There were like icons of like the 1980s.

[00:36:18] They have a very Frank Fazetta kind of look to a lot of their work.

[00:36:23] Um, Frank Fazetta is like a huge icon kind of in the, in the illustration world.

[00:36:28] Um, but like people who do like horror movie posters and things like that, like those kind

[00:36:36] of like, Oh gee, people who like, I mean, they created art when it was really hard to create

[00:36:43] art and they teach it now.

[00:36:45] And just again, so giving so, um, accessible and, and he, he went regularly to those events

[00:36:53] and his work.

[00:36:56] I'm just like, dude, I, I, I need to catch up.

[00:36:59] Like this is gross.

[00:37:00] Like, it's gross.

[00:37:04] He's so good.

[00:37:05] And he's so sweet.

[00:37:06] Like he's really a good dude.

[00:37:08] I think you guys would like each other a lot.

[00:37:11] Yeah.

[00:37:11] See, well, I've been to come over your way at some point anyway.

[00:37:14] So yeah, no, totally.

[00:37:18] Please, please.

[00:37:19] Um, I love, I love to meet your kids too.

[00:37:22] Like my family, um, their ages are very similar.

[00:37:26] My, um, my nephew is 16.

[00:37:30] Uh, my, the middle one is, uh, about to be 14 and, uh, the youngest is, uh, nine.

[00:37:38] She's going to be nine.

[00:37:39] Oh wow.

[00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Yeah.

[00:37:41] So they're my brother's kids, but you know, we always hang out, have a good time.

[00:37:46] Um, do you, do you do any shooting?

[00:37:49] Like weapons?

[00:37:50] Um, I used to do clay pigeon shoot in, in England, but not over here.

[00:37:57] Yep.

[00:37:57] We, um, we have a gun range.

[00:38:00] Uh, that's, that's what's America about us.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] Yeah.

[00:38:05] We were just, um, we were just, uh, doing a lesson for friends of ours.

[00:38:11] Uh, boys.

[00:38:13] They're, they're, um, 20 and like 17 and they had never handled, uh, any weapons.

[00:38:20] So we were instructing them for the first time.

[00:38:22] Yeah.

[00:38:22] How many ever use shotguns?

[00:38:24] Yeah.

[00:38:26] Cause that's like the English countryside.

[00:38:27] You shoot a few rabbits.

[00:38:29] Yeah.

[00:38:29] You do some clay pigeons shoot in.

[00:38:30] But I'd love to have like proper hand on those.

[00:38:33] It's, it's pretty cool.

[00:38:35] My, my, uh, Rico, he's really proficient with all weapons.

[00:38:40] Yeah.

[00:38:40] He's actually gotten really into, uh, um, old time, like revolutionary war style, like

[00:38:46] muzzle loaders.

[00:38:48] Yeah.

[00:38:49] Yeah.

[00:38:50] And they're fun.

[00:38:51] They're really fun to shoot.

[00:38:53] And you know, they're not considered like a gun or anything like that.

[00:38:57] They're considered, you know, like sporting equipment, you know, like, like,

[00:39:00] cause you know, you have to measure each shot.

[00:39:04] You gotta wait, you gotta wait for the barrel to cool down.

[00:39:07] Cause if you, if you put, you know, you reshoot like re up real quick and there's any gunpowder

[00:39:13] still in there, that's a little ablaze.

[00:39:15] You could just have this whole like blow black.

[00:39:18] Once you put the powder.

[00:39:19] Yeah.

[00:39:20] One shot.

[00:39:21] One shot.

[00:39:22] Yes.

[00:39:23] You're gonna like.

[00:39:24] You did it properly.

[00:39:25] Yeah, no, we, we have it all set up.

[00:39:28] Um, for when they first.

[00:39:30] When they first built it.

[00:39:32] Uh, it was a, uh, the, the neighbors didn't know what the hell was going on.

[00:39:37] They were like, you know, they were getting the cops called on regularly and the cops

[00:39:41] would come out and they were like, come on over.

[00:39:44] And they'd show them the whole range.

[00:39:45] And our, the police officer like, no, you're good.

[00:39:48] I mean, this is, you know, we get worried when we hear, you know, complaints of gunshot,

[00:39:52] but this is a legit range.

[00:39:54] You're fine.

[00:39:55] Like that must be so loud.

[00:39:59] Actually, the muskets have really great sound.

[00:40:03] It's real pretty.

[00:40:04] Gun like a, a pistol.

[00:40:07] That sounds, that sounds nasty.

[00:40:10] Like it, it sounds like, it sounds like you just, you know, killed your wife.

[00:40:16] You know, like it, it don't sound, it don't sound pretty at all, but the muskets, they

[00:40:22] have this very, I don't know.

[00:40:25] And they're fun to shoot.

[00:40:26] Like they kind of, they, now if you do the ones that Rico likes, he likes the heavy hitters,

[00:40:32] man.

[00:40:32] Like he likes something that really like pushes back.

[00:40:35] He wants to take down elephants.

[00:40:38] I don't know.

[00:40:39] I don't know what he's trying to kill, but like.

[00:40:43] He gets right into cosplaying it.

[00:40:48] I'm telling you, he wants a one hitter quitter.

[00:40:51] Like he wants to level something.

[00:40:54] I don't know what, but he's trying to take down like Buffalo.

[00:40:59] Um, but the ones I've shot anyway, it's nice.

[00:41:03] Cause it's not like a recoil.

[00:41:05] Like it doesn't have that kind of thing.

[00:41:07] It just pushes you, you know, like it just, I don't know.

[00:41:10] It's, it's kind of nice.

[00:41:12] Uh, it's not bad.

[00:41:13] So.

[00:41:14] Where do you get all the bits to use?

[00:41:16] Like where do you get the gunpowder in that?

[00:41:19] He orders it.

[00:41:20] Um, I think he gets his, I'm not sure, but he gets a lot of stuff.

[00:41:25] A lot of the stuff you can order from, um, midway and these, these different companies.

[00:41:31] Um, you can actually hear, you can, you can completely build your own gun.

[00:41:37] Um, you cannot, you can't like travel with it or nothing.

[00:41:44] And it wouldn't be anything that you could, you know, carry with you on your person, but

[00:41:50] you can build your own gun.

[00:41:52] Like it is legal to mill out.

[00:41:54] You have to completely build it though yourself.

[00:41:56] Nobody else can assist you with it.

[00:41:58] You have to completely have all the tools to do it.

[00:42:00] Most people don't.

[00:42:02] You can, you can order all of the individual parts and what you have to drill them out,

[00:42:07] drill the holes, mill them out and stuff like that.

[00:42:09] And, and fashion.

[00:42:11] But you can do it.

[00:42:13] You can do it.

[00:42:14] Reverse firing gun like that film, the Mexican.

[00:42:18] I know.

[00:42:19] Right.

[00:42:19] I know.

[00:42:22] I know.

[00:42:23] I mean, you know, it could go wrong.

[00:42:25] It could definitely go wrong.

[00:42:27] It would if I could do it.

[00:42:29] It would definitely go wrong.

[00:42:30] No, I mean, you know, if you were able to solder together own tattoo machines, I'm sure

[00:42:36] you'd be able to figure it out.

[00:42:38] You know, the, the, the muskets or the, the gunpowder rifles are pretty cool.

[00:42:46] Cause it's a lot of it's wood.

[00:42:47] And then you have like, you know, just, just different parts of it that you put together.

[00:42:51] Yeah.

[00:42:52] And he loves doing that.

[00:42:54] Um, but yeah, you'll get a tour of all of them.

[00:42:57] If you ever come, he'll show you all.

[00:43:00] That'd be sick.

[00:43:01] No, it's fun.

[00:43:03] It's fun.

[00:43:04] I'm telling you, if we ever, if you ever go out to Vegas, you can rent fully automatic

[00:43:11] weapons.

[00:43:11] So if you wanted to know what a machine gun feels like, you can rent one.

[00:43:17] I don't think I'd ever want to go to Vegas.

[00:43:20] It's not.

[00:43:24] Do you go out to the dead?

[00:43:26] They don't have you lighten up shit in Vegas.

[00:43:28] You got to go out to the desert.

[00:43:29] They drive you way out.

[00:43:31] You know, yeah, you're just, you're just hitting, you're hitting random cactus.

[00:43:37] You're, you're just, you're just shooting them.

[00:43:39] Like, cause they're not legal to own here.

[00:43:42] You can't like just own an automatic weapon.

[00:43:45] Yeah.

[00:43:46] But it's, it's intense.

[00:43:48] It's like, I can't even imagine.

[00:43:52] Yeah.

[00:43:52] That'd be hectic.

[00:43:54] Uh huh.

[00:43:54] Well, yeah.

[00:43:55] Do you know the difference?

[00:43:56] I'll do a little, a little, you know, like run through.

[00:44:00] So, um, there's, there's single shot, like a bolt action where you have to like cock it

[00:44:07] each time.

[00:44:08] And then, you know, your, your gun is reloaded for the next shot.

[00:44:12] Um, then there is semi-automatic where the gun will rack itself, but you're, you only get one shot with each thing.

[00:44:24] Cause if you pull the trigger, it's not going to keep shooting.

[00:44:27] You only get one shot from that one rack.

[00:44:30] So what, what is the semi part of it is that will, it will not, you don't need to bolt it.

[00:44:37] It'll just keep racking it until you run out the clip.

[00:44:41] But with an automatic, you push that trigger and it's like five shots at once.

[00:44:48] It's like, you know, like one, one, as long as you're holding that trigger in it's shooting.

[00:44:56] It's like, so, so a lot of people don't, you know, like they hear semi-automatic and they're just like, oh, that's a death machine.

[00:45:06] It's like, wow, I'm, you know, there's a little bit of control there.

[00:45:13] Like, it's not just like, but no, it's, it's, it's fun.

[00:45:22] Um, it's, you know, as soon as you do it, you know how lethal it is and how, how much responsibility is, but you know, we're, we're pretty knowledgeable.

[00:45:31] All of us, um, have licenses to carry and, um, a lot of training.

[00:45:38] Rico is like an avid hunter.

[00:45:40] He has his gun safety through hunting.

[00:45:42] So they're all, they're all really, and he did a clay pigeon shooting too.

[00:45:48] He loves that.

[00:45:49] So yeah, we got that too.

[00:45:52] Yeah.

[00:45:53] Yeah.

[00:45:53] Proper hunting though.

[00:45:54] I'd love to do that.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:56] Yeah.

[00:45:57] Yeah.

[00:45:57] We could do all of that.

[00:45:59] I, I, I'm really excited.

[00:46:01] Um, for this next phase of yours.

[00:46:04] I, I can't wait to, cause I do, I would love to travel.

[00:46:08] I would love to go to France.

[00:46:09] I would love to, um, do an Italian, uh, convention too.

[00:46:14] I've heard Venice is incredible.

[00:46:16] Yeah.

[00:46:17] I've got family around Spain as well.

[00:46:19] So accommodations, not a problem.

[00:46:22] It's just the flights really.

[00:46:23] So fly there, do a convention in Spain.

[00:46:26] That's awesome.

[00:46:28] Yeah.

[00:46:28] If you ever wanted to, um, I'm down.

[00:46:31] I don't, I don't, I do not do well with any kind of Latin based languages.

[00:46:37] I mean, French is about as close as I can muster.

[00:46:41] And I still sound dumb, but just, just like I said, just shower.

[00:46:50] All right.

[00:46:51] Well, I don't want to keep you too much longer.

[00:46:53] Cause I know you got the rest of your day to get to and stuff like that.

[00:46:56] Um, this has been so much fun catching up with you.

[00:46:59] Um, you're a joy.

[00:47:01] Yeah.

[00:47:02] I'm telling you, you have done a lot.

[00:47:05] Um, do you, I mean, it sounds like you just, you just rolled with every punch that was given

[00:47:12] to you.

[00:47:12] You really wanted it.

[00:47:14] Yeah, pretty much.

[00:47:15] That's how I've always been in life, but it's not until like, I don't know, some days

[00:47:20] when you're, you've got nothing to do, you're just staring into space.

[00:47:24] You're like, I can now I've just done all of that.

[00:47:27] It's just weird.

[00:47:29] But no, no, I think about it.

[00:47:30] I'm just going for it.

[00:47:32] Yeah.

[00:47:32] That's the point of this podcast though.

[00:47:34] I still like trying to reflect on where you came from.

[00:47:38] And I, I remember when, you know, just in the very early, early times, you're just

[00:47:44] like, you know, like, well, what are some things I can do?

[00:47:47] What should I expect?

[00:47:48] And we had a little bit of a jam session.

[00:47:50] I was like, definitely look out for this, you know, like, you know, don't, you know,

[00:47:58] don't get duped into paying somebody and then not have any promises.

[00:48:03] Yeah.

[00:48:04] That kind of stuff.

[00:48:06] Yeah.

[00:48:06] I'm glad.

[00:48:08] Lots of research.

[00:48:09] And I listened to your podcast is like, listen to people who've done it before.

[00:48:14] It's so helpful, man.

[00:48:15] Like, yeah, this is wicked.

[00:48:17] I'm glad there's shit out there like this.

[00:48:19] Yeah.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:20] I'm so glad.

[00:48:21] I'm so glad.

[00:48:22] Cause that's all I wanted from this was just, you know, give somebody a little bit.

[00:48:27] I mean, it just gives it hope.

[00:48:29] You know, like, it's like, it sucked for a lot of people, but I feel like, man, you,

[00:48:35] you have journeyed so far.

[00:48:37] It makes me so happy.

[00:48:38] Um, honestly, cause you're such a good person.

[00:48:42] You're good.

[00:48:43] I try to be.

[00:48:44] I know it shows.

[00:48:48] And you sent me some really dope music too.

[00:48:50] I remember like, yeah, really good music.

[00:48:54] Um, you've got great taste.

[00:48:55] So I, I'm excited for all that comes integrate that a lot more.

[00:49:00] Cause you're, you're on YouTube now.

[00:49:02] Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

[00:49:03] Yeah.

[00:49:04] I mean, I've only, I think I've only got like 10 videos, but I need to do more and more

[00:49:09] of that.

[00:49:10] Yeah.

[00:49:11] I'm looking to do like more like clients and me just chatting and talking while we do

[00:49:17] it.

[00:49:17] But nine times out of 10, the editing on that is hectic because I'd probably get canceled

[00:49:24] with most of the conversations.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:29] No, I, I, I feel that.

[00:49:32] Plus it kind of feels like what you could do.

[00:49:35] You just got to formulate it differently.

[00:49:38] Cause you want to offer like, uh, I don't know if I'm not so sure if you would get canceled

[00:49:45] because it would be your client participating too, but you would want to offer some kind

[00:49:49] of anonymity to your client, you know, like.

[00:49:52] Yeah.

[00:49:54] I want to do it a lot.

[00:49:55] Definitely.

[00:49:56] Definitely.

[00:49:57] Well, I've got a good 10 to 15 people who are keen to do it.

[00:50:01] Yeah.

[00:50:01] That's awesome.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:04] I've had, um, girlfriends tell me that like, they're like, you know, you could, you could

[00:50:09] do a whole thing, you know, based off of like a healing kind of thing and then show people

[00:50:14] the entire process, like down to like the console and then what you design and then tattooing

[00:50:21] it.

[00:50:21] Yeah.

[00:50:22] Um, I said, yeah, the, the only, the only issue is, is we get deep man.

[00:50:27] Like, uh, you know, I wouldn't, things come out while you're getting tattooed that you wouldn't

[00:50:35] otherwise say, you know?

[00:50:37] Massive.

[00:50:38] Yeah.

[00:50:39] It's borderline torture.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:41] Yeah.

[00:50:42] You're like spiritually breaking people down.

[00:50:45] I like to keep, I like to keep mine a little bit light hearted.

[00:50:48] Like, I also like the idea.

[00:50:51] My main thing was the whole YouTube was like, well, I'm an old man got grandkids or even

[00:50:56] dead and gone.

[00:50:57] My kids and grandkids can go onto YouTube.

[00:50:59] I'm sure it would still be a thing.

[00:51:01] But I look at his old videos.

[00:51:03] Yes.

[00:51:05] Yes.

[00:51:06] No, I, and that's, that's, that's the other thing.

[00:51:09] The nostalgia, the, the, the legacy, all of that.

[00:51:12] But I was going to say definitely.

[00:51:15] I would every part of it.

[00:51:17] Like if you're going to not have you talking, definitely bring in your musical flavor,

[00:51:24] you know, all your music love, like really, I would, I would get into that.

[00:51:29] Cause, um, do you, you definitely have good taste there.

[00:51:33] And I think that could be really fun.

[00:51:35] Um, you know, and, and again, sharing that with your kids, uh, later on your grandkids

[00:51:40] be like, what, what is this that he was listening to?

[00:51:43] I like that, you know, like, yeah, it's quite a lot of clients.

[00:51:49] They're always asking about it.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:51] You got 90 hours of playlists.

[00:51:54] Go for it.

[00:51:54] Yeah.

[00:51:55] Yeah.

[00:51:56] No, I think that'd be really dope.

[00:51:58] I think that'd be really dope.

[00:51:59] No, I love that.

[00:52:00] Um, what's the, what's the channel called again?

[00:52:03] Uh, just Lewis B tattoos.

[00:52:05] Same as my Instagram, my YouTube.

[00:52:08] Perfect.

[00:52:08] I've actually got my, um, my daughter on my stories at the moment.

[00:52:12] She performed last night.

[00:52:13] So you should check that out.

[00:52:14] Oh, I'm going to check it out.

[00:52:17] Yeah.

[00:52:18] Absolutely blew me away.

[00:52:20] Wow.

[00:52:20] I'm so excited.

[00:52:22] I'm so excited.

[00:52:23] I'll give her lots of love.

[00:52:24] I definitely will give her lots of love.

[00:52:26] That's awesome.

[00:52:26] That's really cool.

[00:52:28] I can't wait.

[00:52:29] I can't wait.

[00:52:30] That's watching last night.

[00:52:32] And we're just like, I can't believe how good she's singing.

[00:52:35] Like she's never done training or nothing.

[00:52:37] She's just saying in her bedroom.

[00:52:38] Well, I, whoa, whoa, that's awesome.

[00:52:42] Oh, I'm so glad.

[00:52:44] I'm really glad.

[00:52:45] That's awesome.

[00:52:46] That's really cool.

[00:52:48] Yeah, man.

[00:52:49] It's going to evolve.

[00:52:50] I mean, maybe you can, I don't know.

[00:52:52] There's a lot of, there's a lot of talent surrounding you, my friend.

[00:52:55] That's really cool.

[00:52:56] Yeah.

[00:52:57] Yeah.

[00:52:58] That's really cool.

[00:53:00] Endless.

[00:53:01] Endless.

[00:53:02] No, I love it.

[00:53:03] I love it.

[00:53:04] Um, what is, what is the best way for people to contact you if they want to work with you?

[00:53:09] Uh, just through Instagram is the best.

[00:53:11] Yeah.

[00:53:12] I don't look at emails.

[00:53:13] I don't bother with all that.

[00:53:14] Okay.

[00:53:15] I love it.

[00:53:16] Seems to be well all the time.

[00:53:19] All right.

[00:53:20] DM.

[00:53:20] DM.

[00:53:20] I like it.

[00:53:21] I like it.

[00:53:22] Fantastic.

[00:53:23] It's my DMS slide into the DMS.

[00:53:26] I love it.

[00:53:27] I love it.

[00:53:28] No, I mean, I, um, I just want to make sure people know where to find you, follow you,

[00:53:36] contact you, get tattooed by you.

[00:53:38] Um, all of it, all of it.

[00:53:41] And I can't wait to, uh, I would love to do this again.

[00:53:44] Like, yeah, definitely.

[00:53:45] Yeah.

[00:53:47] Like don't leave such a big gap this time.

[00:53:49] Maybe we do like every six months or something.

[00:53:51] Yeah.

[00:53:51] Yeah.

[00:53:52] Well, let me know.

[00:53:53] I mean, like if you do a guest spot or something, it could be a, it could be a multifaceted event.

[00:53:59] Cause then you can introduce a shop.

[00:54:02] You can introduce other people, talk about your experience, you know, be really dope.

[00:54:07] I love it.

[00:54:08] Yeah.

[00:54:09] I mean, it's the other side of the world.

[00:54:10] I mean, yeah, we don't know anything.

[00:54:17] I have met, I have met a few people like my friend, Evan has gone over to Australia and

[00:54:24] done a convention before.

[00:54:26] Um, and I believe halo has too.

[00:54:28] I think he, he got it.

[00:54:31] I know he at least applied for a visa to work over there, but I think he traveled over there

[00:54:36] too.

[00:54:37] It seems wild.

[00:54:39] Yeah.

[00:54:39] Some real good ones.

[00:54:40] We had, um, Freddie Corbin come over.

[00:54:42] Oh, that's awesome.

[00:54:43] Recently down in Sydney.

[00:54:44] I missed that one.

[00:54:45] I already wanted to go down and just check him out.

[00:54:47] But yeah.

[00:54:49] Steve butcher is, uh, gonna be at paradise this year.

[00:54:53] And he's a, he's a native.

[00:54:56] Oh, is he?

[00:54:57] It is New Zealand.

[00:54:57] I'm sorry.

[00:54:59] I confused.

[00:55:00] Same, same, but different.

[00:55:02] I mean, you're English, so you can say that.

[00:55:05] I mean, yeah, my joke is what do you call a clever Australian, a New Zealander?

[00:55:13] Don't hate you, Australia.

[00:55:14] Don't hate me.

[00:55:14] Don't hate me.

[00:55:15] I love you.

[00:55:16] I live here.

[00:55:17] I love your country.

[00:55:19] I came here for purpose for the betterment of my children.

[00:55:26] I have heard it.

[00:55:27] New Zealand's pretty dope.

[00:55:29] I've heard it's really beautiful.

[00:55:30] Yeah.

[00:55:31] It looks amazing.

[00:55:32] Never been, but you know, maybe, maybe one day.

[00:55:35] I don't know, but that's cool.

[00:55:38] Well, have a great day, my friend.

[00:55:40] I, I am so blessed to have you and to know you.

[00:55:43] And I'm very honored that you have listened to the show.

[00:55:46] You've given any of your time and interest.

[00:55:48] I, I really am.

[00:55:49] It means a lot.

[00:55:51] Yeah.

[00:55:51] I'm glad.

[00:55:53] Yeah.

[00:55:53] Yeah, totally.

[00:55:55] I'm going to keep doing it.

[00:55:57] Cause I'm stubborn.

[00:55:59] Yeah.

[00:56:00] Like me.

[00:56:00] Yeah.

[00:56:00] Just keep going.

[00:56:01] Oh yeah, man.

[00:56:02] Like, oh yeah.

[00:56:03] I love that you're doing YouTube though.

[00:56:06] I'm definitely going to check out your kid and, and give her a lot of love.

[00:56:10] I can't wait to be blown away, but yeah.

[00:56:13] Yeah.

[00:56:14] You'll be blown away by her voice.

[00:56:16] Yeah.

[00:56:16] I mean, you might, you might do tattooing for a while and then just kind of be her manager.

[00:56:21] Yeah.

[00:56:24] Yeah.

[00:56:27] I don't know.

[00:56:28] You know, it might be easier than you think.

[00:56:31] I'll be like Britney Spears is dead.

[00:56:34] Just taking her money off of her.

[00:56:36] Nah.

[00:56:36] You know.

[00:56:38] Nah.

[00:56:38] They, I, you'd be, you'd be great.

[00:56:41] You'd be great.

[00:56:44] You were already doing it.

[00:56:45] I'm not just playing a rhythm guitar in the background though.

[00:56:47] Yeah.

[00:56:48] No, totally.

[00:56:49] Totally.

[00:56:49] It would be great.

[00:56:51] You keep her out of a lot of dumb situations.

[00:56:53] I'm sure.

[00:56:54] It'd be good.

[00:56:56] Britney Spears is crazy.

[00:57:01] To say the least.

[00:57:03] She's crazy.

[00:57:04] I don't know.

[00:57:04] I don't know what happened, but I don't think it was all her dad.

[00:57:08] I don't, I, I, I, I'm not so sure.

[00:57:12] I feel like, I feel like we might've ruined her.

[00:57:16] Did you see that?

[00:57:17] Did you see that someone done a trap style tattoo with her with the two knives like that?

[00:57:23] Did they?

[00:57:24] Fucking awesome.

[00:57:25] Yeah.

[00:57:25] That is.

[00:57:26] I wish I was that cool.

[00:57:28] I wish I was.

[00:57:29] Yeah.

[00:57:29] I wish I could be that person that like, I mean, it's just as much as being it.

[00:57:34] Right.

[00:57:34] But like, I will take myself way too seriously.

[00:57:37] Like I wish I could be that kind of person that would get something like that.

[00:57:45] Just dumb stuff.

[00:57:47] I mean, they're just, those are, I love those kind of people.

[00:57:52] I've got, yeah, I mean, heaps of dumb stuff on me.

[00:57:54] I've got my mom's tattooed, me, my dad, I've drawn scribbles on me, which my kids are

[00:57:59] made.

[00:58:00] I've got just stupid shit on me.

[00:58:01] And I'm not serious.

[00:58:03] But that's, to me, that's, I would do that.

[00:58:07] I would do that because that's not, that, that just requires wanting to have your family

[00:58:14] be a part of you that I, that I understand.

[00:58:16] And that I take very seriously.

[00:58:18] But no, I mean, just like iconic stuff.

[00:58:21] Like, you know what I'm saying?

[00:58:23] Like, I don't know, like things that really mark the moment.

[00:58:27] I do love your first tattoo that the Celtic tattoo.

[00:58:31] You got to send me a picture of that.

[00:58:32] I got to show that.

[00:58:33] And they blast you out.

[00:58:34] Like that's dope.

[00:58:35] I love that tattoo.

[00:58:39] Something Celtic.

[00:58:42] Everyone's like, you know, they're coming.

[00:58:43] That's awesome.

[00:58:46] That's awesome.

[00:58:46] And at 16, you were a baller, man.

[00:58:49] Like I didn't get to my first tattoo until I was 24.

[00:58:53] So yeah, my second one was 17.

[00:58:55] Same place.

[00:58:56] Another, um, Kelly.

[00:58:59] Wow.

[00:59:00] Wow.

[00:59:01] Did you, did you always want, did you always think about tattooing as I didn't get to that

[00:59:06] question, but on and off for a few years.

[00:59:08] I mean, I was that punk rock hip hop skateboarding kid.

[00:59:12] So it's hand in hand.

[00:59:14] Have you painted a skateboard yet?

[00:59:18] I haven't.

[00:59:19] No, I've had a client give me a couple of clients which they've painted.

[00:59:23] Does that count?

[00:59:25] I mean, you know, I guess.

[00:59:29] Yeah.

[00:59:29] Yeah.

[00:59:30] Yeah.

[00:59:31] Do it though.

[00:59:32] Get a, get a, get a skateboard and, and, and paint it.

[00:59:36] You know?

[00:59:37] Yeah.

[00:59:38] Just get, I really want to get into airbrushing with on skateboards.

[00:59:42] Dude.

[00:59:42] I mean, yeah, there is, um, a guy in Oklahoma that I met that designed a few and then just

[00:59:52] had them produce, you know, like actually design the artwork and then had the mass produce

[00:59:58] and created a whole line.

[01:00:00] He's got skateboards coming.

[01:00:02] I every day he's, he skateboarded in on a new skateboard.

[01:00:04] I'm like, how many do you have?

[01:00:05] He's like all of them.

[01:00:07] Like I have all of them.

[01:00:09] Every single one.

[01:00:10] I mean, he just loves skateboards.

[01:00:12] He was awesome, but you definitely.

[01:00:14] Yeah.

[01:00:15] I could see you doing, doing a lot of fun.

[01:00:17] Some of that airbrushing, I think with your style would, would, would be really great.

[01:00:22] Then you have to learn a whole other.

[01:00:24] I mean, you can, why not?

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:26] I went to the kids who are a little bit older.

[01:00:28] I've got a little bit more free time.

[01:00:31] Either that or be like, you know, put it, put it in the young one's ear and be like,

[01:00:35] you want to learn how to airbrush, right?

[01:00:38] Like.

[01:00:40] Hell yeah, dad.

[01:00:41] Let's do it.

[01:00:43] Let's buy all of it.

[01:00:44] Let's do it together.

[01:00:47] Yeah.

[01:00:48] I love a hobby.

[01:00:48] I love a hobby.

[01:00:50] I love a hobby.

[01:00:50] Let's go.

[01:00:51] Yeah.

[01:00:51] Like, come on, babe.

[01:00:52] Let's go.

[01:00:54] That's great because like, you can, you can get, you know, body paint, you know, she,

[01:01:00] she could take that a lot of different places.

[01:01:03] Yeah.

[01:01:04] Yeah.

[01:01:05] Yeah.

[01:01:06] I'm just saying, I got nothing but ideas, Louie.

[01:01:08] That's all I got.

[01:01:10] I just, I love, I love planting seeds and seeing what grows.

[01:01:17] People are like, I told you to do that.

[01:01:19] I just leave shit and walk away.

[01:01:23] Like, see what happens.

[01:01:27] Awesome.

[01:01:28] Well, thank you, my friend.

[01:01:30] You've been a joy.

[01:01:32] Thank you.

[01:01:32] Of course.

[01:01:34] Of course.

[01:01:35] Um, is there anything that we didn't say that you want to say that you, I don't know.

[01:01:40] I don't think so.

[01:01:41] I'm just happy to have a little chat.

[01:01:43] Hey.

[01:01:43] Yeah.

[01:01:45] Yeah.

[01:01:45] It's been awesome.

[01:01:47] It's been awesome.

[01:01:48] Basically just happened to be here.

[01:01:50] Yeah.

[01:01:51] Same.

[01:01:52] Same.

[01:01:53] It's, it's great when you meet people that are across, across the world that has that

[01:02:00] same mentality.

[01:02:03] Yeah.

[01:02:03] The world's not too big after all right.

[01:02:06] Mm hmm.

[01:02:07] Yep.

[01:02:07] Well, I, I want to, I, you know, I would, I would feel very blessed if I got to meet

[01:02:13] you in person one day, give you a big hug, meet your family, give them high fives.

[01:02:17] Yeah.

[01:02:18] Yeah.

[01:02:19] It would be really dope.

[01:02:20] Um, that's a, definitely a goal cause.

[01:02:23] Yeah.

[01:02:23] Uh, you're a big part of my story now too.

[01:02:26] So I love it.

[01:02:27] Yeah.

[01:02:28] It's day dark.

[01:02:30] I'm telling you, man, it was my baby apprentice podcast phase when it was really hard to listen

[01:02:35] to this shit, you know?

[01:02:36] So I appreciate you.

[01:02:41] I really do.

[01:02:42] I really do.

[01:02:44] It was not good.

[01:02:45] Are you going to send the money for the post at the end of the day or?

[01:02:48] Huh?

[01:02:49] Are you going to send that money at the end of the day for me pretending to listen?

[01:02:53] Yeah.

[01:02:54] Yeah.

[01:02:56] I know.

[01:02:56] Right.

[01:02:57] I know.

[01:02:58] So, I mean, that's, that's really how it is.

[01:03:02] I should, I should have paid people to listen.

[01:03:04] It's funny how it's like, I don't know even how I stumbled upon it.

[01:03:08] Hey, it just was there.

[01:03:10] Yeah.

[01:03:11] Yeah.

[01:03:12] Well, I mean, the one thing I can say that I might've been hip to is that I figured,

[01:03:16] well, apprenticeship.

[01:03:19] It's got the key word.

[01:03:21] I think maybe like, maybe I just typed in tattoo or something like that.

[01:03:25] Wow.

[01:03:26] And then that popped up.

[01:03:28] I was like, Oh, baby, listen.

[01:03:29] And that's it.

[01:03:31] The rest is history.

[01:03:33] Praise God.

[01:03:35] I'm yeah.

[01:03:35] That's awesome.

[01:03:37] That's all.

[01:03:37] I always thought it was apprenticeship, you know, like, how do I get an apprenticeship?

[01:03:42] No.

[01:03:43] Yeah.

[01:03:44] Wow.

[01:03:45] That's awesome.

[01:03:46] I am.

[01:03:48] That's awesome.

[01:03:49] Yeah.

[01:03:50] I have, I have a lot of podcasts dreams, but in the meantime, all of you that I've gotten

[01:03:57] to meet along this way just are, are just blessings, man.

[01:04:01] Like it's, it's really great.

[01:04:03] I really appreciate everybody, especially when you were there from the get.

[01:04:08] Um, yeah, you're, you're cool as shit.

[01:04:13] And I can't wait to be like here.

[01:04:16] I know this person.

[01:04:17] Come over here.

[01:04:18] Come here.

[01:04:19] I sculpted him.

[01:04:21] Yeah.

[01:04:21] Like come over here.

[01:04:23] Um, I know this guy.

[01:04:25] Come here.

[01:04:26] I've got actions when a guy at just in is one of those people.

[01:04:29] Um, my friend Jake, he hasn't met him yet and it makes me sick.

[01:04:33] Cause I'm like, what?

[01:04:35] What?

[01:04:36] How have you not met him?

[01:04:38] Is that Jake with the small hat?

[01:04:42] No, no.

[01:04:43] Jake Meeks.

[01:04:44] Jake Meeks is, has met guy.

[01:04:47] I'm pretty sure.

[01:04:48] I'm pretty sure.

[01:04:48] I don't know.

[01:04:50] Yeah.

[01:04:51] Yeah.

[01:04:51] Jake's cool as shit.

[01:04:53] He's a very nice guy.

[01:04:55] Hmm.

[01:04:56] Very good guy.

[01:04:56] Very great tattoo artist too.

[01:04:58] Yeah.

[01:04:59] I watched, I used to watch some of his stuff on YouTube.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:03] He's still, he's still going.

[01:05:05] Um, I have to catch it, but, uh, just to throw it out there and reiterate it because

[01:05:10] we just, uh, interviewed him, but, um, he just had, uh, a interview and I'm blanking

[01:05:18] on who he interviewed, but they covered the multi-session tattoo pieces like multiple day

[01:05:26] tattoos and how to guide people through that and how to approach that.

[01:05:30] And that sounded like it was going to be a really good, really good podcast to listen

[01:05:35] to.

[01:05:36] Um, they're doing some, they're doing some insane stuff these days, man.

[01:05:41] Like, um, my friend, Evan, uh, who I still haven't gotten on the podcast.

[01:05:45] I have been wanting to get him on the podcast for forever.

[01:05:49] Um, but now he has, have you seen his YouTube channel tattoo dudes?

[01:05:54] Check it out.

[01:05:55] They're fun.

[01:05:56] Um, it's, it's him.

[01:05:58] He, he involves this whole shop, but man, is it a fun shop?

[01:06:02] That's the reason why I'm, I'm licensed in Rhode Island is, um, his shop power line is

[01:06:08] it's like an all-star cast and he is, uh, just such a good, good guy, like good dude.

[01:06:18] And, um, his friend Andy, who he also, um, booths with like, that's his booth mate, like

[01:06:26] basically everywhere they do collaborations.

[01:06:29] The whole shop is like amazing now.

[01:06:32] So they're all doing these multi-day collaborations.

[01:06:35] It's crazy.

[01:06:36] It's crazy.

[01:06:37] And they're coming out with these incredible tattoos, like a whole leg and a weekend that

[01:06:43] they're doing and like three tattoo artists, one, one leg and just phenomenal work.

[01:06:50] Um, I have no idea how you sit for that, but no way.

[01:06:57] I've got a good four hours.

[01:06:59] That's it.

[01:07:00] I, I, same.

[01:07:02] And then I hate your face.

[01:07:04] Like after that, I start really hating your face.

[01:07:07] Yeah.

[01:07:08] Yeah.

[01:07:08] But I don't know.

[01:07:09] I mean, I'm, I'm not hardcore, you know, not that way.

[01:07:14] But yeah, I don't know.

[01:07:15] I, it, it's gotta be, it's gotta be a lot of things, man.

[01:07:18] I don't know.

[01:07:19] But, but that's what Jake, uh, Jake Meeks, uh, interviewed, uh, somebody to, to go over

[01:07:24] recently.

[01:07:25] So that's a good one to catch.

[01:07:27] Cause I have no idea.

[01:07:29] Um, no, my friend Jake Kirk, he actually did my neck and his studio, his wife, Brie,

[01:07:36] uh, Bria, uh, Bayshore.

[01:07:39] She is incredible.

[01:07:41] Uh, her work, you'd love her work a lot.

[01:07:43] Cause she does a lot of black and gray.

[01:07:45] Cause you've had them on your podcast before.

[01:07:48] Yeah.

[01:07:49] That was a really difficult one to listen to.

[01:07:52] Yeah.

[01:07:52] I'm pretty sure I've, I checked them out afterwards.

[01:07:56] Yeah.

[01:07:57] Good.

[01:07:57] I'm glad.

[01:07:58] I'm glad.

[01:07:59] I'm glad you at least checked out their work because the podcast I did, the audio was abysmal.

[01:08:04] I was like, Oh my God, this is so unfair.

[01:08:08] Yeah.

[01:08:08] Yeah.

[01:08:09] They're so good.

[01:08:10] They're so good.

[01:08:11] You just gotta stick with it.

[01:08:13] Oh man.

[01:08:14] I've learned so much, but anyway.

[01:08:17] All right, my friend, I'll give you your night back or actually your morning, my night.

[01:08:22] It's morning, afternoon.

[01:08:24] So I've got some designing to do now.

[01:08:26] Hell yeah.

[01:08:27] Well, you have a kick-ass Tuesday.

[01:08:29] I will finish up my Monday.

[01:08:32] Yeah.

[01:08:33] Have a great night.

[01:08:34] Get some sleep.

[01:08:35] Thank you, my friend.

[01:08:36] Have a great one.

[01:08:37] I enjoy the hell out of you and we'll do this again.

[01:08:42] Definitely.

[01:08:43] Later, Louie.

[01:08:44] Bye.

[01:08:48] Okay.

[01:08:48] Diary listeners.

[01:08:49] Thank you so much.

[01:08:51] And thank you, Louie.

[01:08:52] That was such a fun time with you.

[01:08:54] I'm sorry.

[01:08:55] I really didn't.

[01:08:56] I didn't ask you too many questions.

[01:08:58] I do apologize.

[01:08:59] Listeners, I apologize to you all as well.

[01:09:02] Uh, I was so excited to, to talk to Louie.

[01:09:05] I don't talk to him often.

[01:09:07] And, um, you know, it, it, it became more of a conversation.

[01:09:12] I hope that within that there was some, um, some learning and some growing.

[01:09:17] I mean, I definitely, I picked up a few things about Australia and how, how they handle things.

[01:09:21] Apparently you can, you can do a sip and anchor ink and sip or whatever the hell it's called.

[01:09:27] Yeah.

[01:09:28] There's a whole other business platform that I have now.

[01:09:31] Um, so I'm very grateful just so you guys can, can follow him and, uh, you know, keep out with Louie.

[01:09:40] I know that he wants to get here, uh, one day over in the States.

[01:09:44] Uh, so, uh, definitely keep an eye on him because he does hope to travel in his future.

[01:09:50] He's already traveled so much.

[01:09:52] He's a English man in, uh, or Englishman in, uh, in Australia.

[01:09:57] So he's, he's down for a good travel.

[01:10:00] Um, on IG, his, uh, Instagram is Louis.

[01:10:05] It's L E W I S underscore B underscore tattoos.

[01:10:11] All right, Louis B tattoos.

[01:10:13] So go follow him.

[01:10:14] And he's working currently at Sage leaf gallery.

[01:10:18] Uh, their IG is Sage leaf, all one word underscore gallery.

[01:10:24] And they are, uh, in the sunshine coast.

[01:10:27] I believe, I believe in, uh, in Australia.

[01:10:30] I don't know where exactly that is.

[01:10:33] Uh, I I'm very ignorant as to geography, but, uh, if I ever go to Australia, uh, Louie,

[01:10:41] Louie, Louie is gonna be who I go see to find that made no sense.

[01:10:48] Okay.

[01:10:48] Listeners have a great week.

[01:10:52] Have a powerful week.

[01:10:54] I am going to be heading out from here tomorrow to go to paradise tattoo convention

[01:10:59] up in a Hancock, Massachusetts.

[01:11:01] So look out for this show.

[01:11:04] Uh, I'm, I'm not really sure what next week will transpire into since I'm going to still

[01:11:09] be up there.

[01:11:11] Um, or coming back, uh, next Tuesday, but we'll see what happens.

[01:11:15] I kind of want to leave it liquid, but that shouldn't hinder you in having an awesome,

[01:11:21] awesome, awesome week.

[01:11:22] God bless you all.

[01:11:24] And Louie.

[01:11:25] Thank you again, my friend.

[01:11:27] Bye.

[01:11:28] Till next time.

[01:11:34] Thanks for listening.

[01:11:35] You can find the apprenticeship diaries on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

[01:11:39] Our IG is the underscore apprenticeship underscore diaries.

[01:11:42] If you would like to offer constructive criticism or an interview, drop us an email

[01:11:46] at the apprenticeship diaries at gmail.com.

[01:11:49] We look forward to hearing from our listeners.

[01:11:50] We're looking forward to hearing from our listeners.

[01:11:52] A he has gained depth, following years of age 32.