Ep. 238 "A Real Sweetheart" (3:3 Diary Entry with Kevin Kline)

[00:00:00] Hello Diary listeners, welcome and happy Tuesday. This is the conclusion of our time with Kevin Kline of Tattoo Icons in Perryville, Maryland. I had such a wonderful time with him. It was really hard to think about how to name this episode. There was so much wonderful banter and conversation, a lot of learning.

[00:00:28] But in the end, I think I picked up from Kevin something that he says about everybody else so much that I thought it was appropriate to call the last piece of his diary entry with us this. We're calling it A Real Sweetheart, as that is the determination about Kevin himself. So without further ado, I'll let you listen to the end of this diary entry with Kevin. Enjoy listeners.

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[00:01:21] Because the person you're tattooing doesn't deserve that.

[00:01:25] You don't deserve to do that to yourself because you're only going to add more stress, more sleepless nights, more times where you beat yourself up mentally going, that was stupid, that was stupid.

[00:01:36] And it's nobody wins.

[00:01:39] So that is partially something that I guess can happen to everybody to any point in their career, but partially to answer your question.

[00:01:51] I guess the other thing that I could say that I did not expect from getting into tattooing is the amount of people that I would meet that I just never expected to meet.

[00:02:08] You know, we take tattooing takes you places.

[00:02:12] It really has done wonders for me.

[00:02:14] It brought me into a better place of life that I did not expect to be at.

[00:02:20] Like I am for the first time, and I will accredit also this to being in your 30s and getting past your 20s or 20s.

[00:02:28] You're just kind of throwing darts at the dark board, but the lights are out and you're just like, hey, I hope I did something.

[00:02:34] But oh, you did. You just might have, you know, you hit the wall.

[00:02:38] You might have just tagged your dog.

[00:02:40] Yeah, exactly.

[00:02:44] Right, right.

[00:02:45] But that's how I feel my 20s were.

[00:02:48] But now in my 30s, I feel like I'm able to see things clearly.

[00:02:52] I'm healthier.

[00:02:53] I have a better state of mind.

[00:02:56] I very much care about taking care of myself and where I'm at in life and in the world.

[00:03:02] But it's taken me so many places like that, like I never expected to make friends in Canada, Germany, Florida, Texas, Australia, all up and down the East Coast.

[00:03:20] Like I did not expect that.

[00:03:22] Yeah, I truly do like how this community can come together.

[00:03:29] And then there's sides of the community that are still like the biker days that are like pretty much shop wars where it's like it's like you can't open a shop in my community.

[00:03:41] I mean, there's still parts of it. I think that's probably maybe American Americanized part of tattooing where it still exists today or maybe maybe it is worldwide.

[00:03:51] I'm not sure. I haven't been out in the rest of the world. So it's an adventure I need to partake in.

[00:03:56] I find out all the time how different states do it. It's a per state thing about how they regulate it.

[00:04:04] There's there's even beyond just the community at large, there's regulatory bodies like, for instance, here in Maryland, there is no regulation for tattooing.

[00:04:13] But there are actually ordinances in certain areas that prevent tattoo artists from setting up shops.

[00:04:21] So Baltimore County, all of Baltimore County, you cannot open a tattoo shop.

[00:04:27] There are people here. Yeah.

[00:04:29] And it's it's interesting because I'm not so sure who did it.

[00:04:33] But like there are people who have tattoo shops and I don't know if just the community at large didn't appreciate it.

[00:04:41] And so they they made like just like an ordinance that's like no more.

[00:04:46] And they put it at the same level as like porno stores and like industrial park kind of stuff.

[00:04:52] Really? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:54] But all the people who already owned places got grandfathered in.

[00:04:58] So you kind of wonder, like, oh, did you like did you rig that so that you didn't have competition in the area?

[00:05:04] Like, yeah, I don't know.

[00:05:09] But. Bravo to them, because a lot of them I do know and they have great studios and they're they're kind people and they put on a good show.

[00:05:18] But yeah, like you can't in Baltimore County unless you were to change and get the politics changed.

[00:05:24] You can't open up a shop.

[00:05:27] And then in Baltimore City, only a certain percentage of your shop can be a tattoo artist.

[00:05:34] Like the most I think there are a lot of your shop has to be retail area.

[00:05:39] Really? Yeah.

[00:05:41] Yeah. That's weird.

[00:05:42] That's wild.

[00:05:43] Mm hmm.

[00:05:44] Yeah.

[00:05:44] It's so crazy to learn about the rules and regulations of each different area.

[00:05:48] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:50] It's very interesting.

[00:05:52] You know, some of them are antiquated, like I've heard from some places they can't be within a certain certain amount of space from a church or a school ground.

[00:06:05] Yeah.

[00:06:06] Because it's it's just seen as, you know, like a sub genre of life.

[00:06:12] You know, it's just like something you don't which that I don't really.

[00:06:16] The church thing is weird because.

[00:06:19] I don't know.

[00:06:20] I guess it depends on the church.

[00:06:22] If we're talking like a mosque or something like that, that's definitely antithetical to to what what they but, you know, Christians, I know, know so many Christians that are tattooed.

[00:06:33] So, um, it also is a 2024 where everybody is getting tattooed now and it's, it's almost expected that if you, for instance, people applying for a job, we kind of expect you to have a tattoo, you know, but I mean, the only thing that's taboo now really is provocative tattoos.

[00:06:56] And it's still a little bit taboo for face tattoos if you aren't like in our profession or a similar profession, but, uh, it depends on the career you're looking to go into.

[00:07:11] I see it so much with, uh, the younger generation of the younger kids.

[00:07:17] They want face tattoos without any arm tattoos or leg tattoos.

[00:07:21] And it's like, wait a second.

[00:07:23] Uh, I thought this was something that you built to, but then again, that's how we make our money.

[00:07:29] So I literally did a face tattoo, uh, about a week ago and sometimes that's how we make our money.

[00:07:36] So it's not like you don't have a good story for people.

[00:07:41] About like what tattoos will do for your opportunities.

[00:07:45] I mean, you have been denied access for your tattoo.

[00:07:48] So you at least have one that you can say to people like, listen, man, you know, like, don't think that you're gonna, you be accepted in every space.

[00:08:00] Yeah.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:01] It's even after getting my head tattooed, that was the first like big step after like working at this shop for a little bit of time.

[00:08:09] I think I worked at this shop for around a year and then I got my head tattooed, but, uh, you would be surprised the level.

[00:08:17] Well, you already know you got your neck tattooed.

[00:08:20] You go into, uh, a grocery store and you see some older people there.

[00:08:26] And this actually happened to me.

[00:08:28] I was just checking out and I like just, you know, either singing myself humming or just doing my thing.

[00:08:34] I like being my own energy.

[00:08:35] I like, I like being a free bird and just having fun.

[00:08:38] But, uh, this woman that works there, she, there was other, it was busy self checkout and everyone's doing their thing.

[00:08:46] I'm just doing my thing.

[00:08:47] She sees me with a fresh head tattoo and she gives me like wide eyes and like cocks her head back.

[00:08:53] She walks right over and she goes, can I help you?

[00:08:56] And of course I bristled, I talked my head back and furred my eyebrows.

[00:09:00] I was like, no.

[00:09:02] And then she walked away.

[00:09:03] Good for you.

[00:09:05] Yeah.

[00:09:06] And then I've had someone else that, uh, handed me a gift card and like seat followed me down an aisle and then into another aisle and then said, excuse me, I want to give you something, handed me a gift card that way.

[00:09:20] And I was like, oh, that's so sweet.

[00:09:22] I was like, Hey, I was like, just letting out I'm a tattoo artist.

[00:09:25] Like, would you want to get come in sometime?

[00:09:28] And she mumbled something.

[00:09:29] I didn't understand.

[00:09:30] I was like, huh?

[00:09:31] And then she said, but it's art.

[00:09:33] It's art.

[00:09:34] And I was like, yeah, yeah.

[00:09:36] And I, she walked away and I was like, that was strange, but off.

[00:09:40] Thank you so much.

[00:09:41] So I opened the gift card.

[00:09:43] It's like a $5 card to Panera.

[00:09:44] And I'm like, oh, that was so sweet.

[00:09:45] And then I see like a written note underneath that I was like, oh God, what did you do?

[00:09:50] And it was like, are you going to heaven or hell?

[00:09:52] Will you be accepted for your sin?

[00:09:55] And I was like, ah, I just threw that up.

[00:09:57] I was like, Nope.

[00:09:58] I was like, not accepting that energy.

[00:10:01] You clearly did that because you followed me based off of my looks.

[00:10:06] So yeah, I, in some of these younger kids, um, it is more acceptable now, but to get like

[00:10:15] your face tattooed as a younger kid that doesn't have anything figured out in life yet.

[00:10:20] It's like, well, this is a big decision you're making.

[00:10:23] Like, are you sure the career path you're going into is going to be accepting of this?

[00:10:30] And I mean, it times are changing.

[00:10:32] It should be, it really should be, but it isn't.

[00:10:37] It isn't.

[00:10:37] Um, I, the more I know about people, the more I realize that we really don't change and

[00:10:45] like, we're creatures of habit.

[00:10:47] Well, it's not even that like, um, I, I get up because I'm a woman.

[00:10:54] So there's a lot less, I think, threat from a woman that has their neck tattooed.

[00:10:59] And it's also like, you know, it's not like my man's name, you know, like, like, you know,

[00:11:06] what I'm saying?

[00:11:06] It looks good.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:08] Like it has.

[00:11:09] And I feel like, you know, I went to an artist that really knows how to look at me, look at

[00:11:14] my neck and really draw it to fit.

[00:11:16] And that's what he did.

[00:11:18] But, um, I, I think too, that like, uh, the, the issue is too, is when you're young, what

[00:11:31] you get, it's not even where you get it.

[00:11:33] It's what you get.

[00:11:35] Um, it's like what you said about your first one, you know, it was a, it was a tribal piece

[00:11:39] of the nineties.

[00:11:40] Like, yeah, yes.

[00:11:42] It it's nostalgia now and everything, but now you have access to tattooing.

[00:11:47] And I'm sure at 15, you didn't think ever that you'd be tattooing.

[00:11:52] You just wanted to tattoo.

[00:11:53] No.

[00:11:54] So in that moment, even just fall, you know, like getting the tattoo, you fell in love with

[00:11:59] it.

[00:11:59] But yeah, before you sat for that tattoo, you never imagined yourself tattooing.

[00:12:04] So you're coming into it, you know, thinking, Oh, I just want a tattoo.

[00:12:10] And then you get it in this premier spot, you know, like it's right on your arm.

[00:12:13] And like, now you have all these other options about what you can get, but you have this

[00:12:17] other tattoo that is going to either be something that you have to work around or you have to.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:23] Yeah.

[00:12:24] Or cover it.

[00:12:24] And then you gotta, you know, make peace with that.

[00:12:27] Like, Oh, do I want to cover this?

[00:12:28] This is, you know?

[00:12:29] Um, so it's just, for me, it's like, you, you have, you have so much ahead of you that

[00:12:40] you, you, it's not even that.

[00:12:43] It's not even that this will limit your prospects.

[00:12:46] This is, this is gonna limit you, you know, like this is going to limit what you could do

[00:12:52] later.

[00:12:53] Like you only have so much budget right now.

[00:12:55] Mm hmm.

[00:12:56] You, you, you like only, I mean, it's like what you said about, um, like you get inspired

[00:13:01] by manga and anime, but you don't really watch that much of it.

[00:13:05] Right.

[00:13:06] You know, but now that you've watched it, there's like a whole world that just opens up to you.

[00:13:12] I mean, I know you found your, you know, you're like, you can't, you, you'd be chasing

[00:13:16] the dragon for forever after what you watch.

[00:13:18] So you're just like, I'm good.

[00:13:20] I got, I got my favorite.

[00:13:21] Um, but like, there's like a whole world open up there that like, you can explore for a long

[00:13:28] time before you, you know, get something permanently inscribed on you, you know?

[00:13:35] Like, and it's something that people, I mean, I've, I've talked about it on the show before

[00:13:40] too, that like, I mean, think about how many things they're calling racist or, you know,

[00:13:48] a white supremacist kind of thing, or, you know, just wild shit.

[00:13:54] Like I heard once that like Dr. Seuss is racist.

[00:13:57] And I'm like, what?

[00:13:58] What?

[00:14:00] And like, but see, that's the thing.

[00:14:04] Yeah.

[00:14:05] Time changes how people see things changes.

[00:14:08] And look, I don't want to take anything away from Jesus.

[00:14:13] I don't want to take anything away from, from what people perceive and what time they grew

[00:14:20] up in and all those kinds of things.

[00:14:22] Cause it's all, it's all valid, but like, I'm, I'm being gracious.

[00:14:26] Cause I find it ridiculous too, but that's only because I'm older.

[00:14:29] Um, and you know, I, I find it ridiculous, but what I'm getting at is, is like when you

[00:14:36] explore art and when you explore a medium for a while and you really, really do, um, you,

[00:14:45] you end up picking something.

[00:14:46] I think that's a lot more based in timelessness and you end up crafting something that, um, people

[00:14:54] can look at over a litany of time and go, wow, that's really cool.

[00:14:58] You know, like that's, it shows, it shows all of that investment of time and energy.

[00:15:04] And it's not to say you can't do that younger, but like, you know, be real.

[00:15:10] If that, if that dragon hadn't been just there for you to pick out of a book.

[00:15:15] Yeah.

[00:15:15] I mean, you could have gotten any other, like it could have been any thing that you had

[00:15:19] seen in that shop, you know, like, you know, I'm going to get a tattoo and oh, that looks cool.

[00:15:24] And like, then, you know, you got it.

[00:15:27] And that is essentially what happened.

[00:15:30] It was, I was 15 and you know what, just grabbing it.

[00:15:35] And I feel like that was, uh, you know, it was a step that brought me to where I am now.

[00:15:41] But also I do, I do see that point of view where it's like, sometimes you should think about things.

[00:15:48] And that's not just in tattooing.

[00:15:50] That's with everything.

[00:15:52] You should think about where I'm going to be tomorrow, where I'm going to be in five

[00:15:56] years, where I'm going to be in 20 years.

[00:15:58] You know, it's, and everybody changes throughout life.

[00:16:02] You can't say I'm going to be the same today as I'm going to be in 20 years from now, 20

[00:16:07] years from now, I'm probably going to be a completely different person.

[00:16:10] I hope I'm just a better version of me.

[00:16:13] That is all we can strive to be.

[00:16:15] And then the images change it.

[00:16:16] Like I said, you know, like the, the connotation of those images.

[00:16:20] I mean, God forbid if birds ever are a problem and people are like, Oh, you have a bird on

[00:16:25] you, you know, demons fun, you know, like whatever.

[00:16:29] I don't know.

[00:16:29] Okay.

[00:16:30] I guess I'm one.

[00:16:30] I got a Phoenix on me.

[00:16:32] Oh, no.

[00:16:32] I mean, I've had to, I mean, I love that you, I love what you said that you were surprised

[00:16:38] about, you know, how many people that you'd meet and how many influences have just come

[00:16:44] into your life from other cultures now.

[00:16:46] Yeah.

[00:16:46] And that's what I'm getting at is like, you know, a friend of mine, he sent me this.

[00:16:51] He's an older person.

[00:16:52] He's an older white guy, which is significant to the story.

[00:16:56] Um, and he's trying to travel more and he's one of my favorite people at church and I love

[00:17:01] him to death.

[00:17:01] And he sent me this thing for Uzbekistan and he's like, check this out.

[00:17:05] And it was this whole thing about like different qualities of Uzbekistan.

[00:17:10] That was really interesting.

[00:17:11] And it's, it, it seems like a really cool place, but like the whole time I'm thinking

[00:17:17] I'm going to have to, I would have to play this wildly different than what my friend Neil

[00:17:22] is able to do because he's a white man.

[00:17:25] Like, and he, he's not, he's not a tattooed woman going into a predominantly Muslim country

[00:17:33] that has, you know, a very, you know, heavy, like patriarchal society.

[00:17:39] And, you know, that's, it is what it is.

[00:17:41] I would, I would need to, it's not that I wouldn't go.

[00:17:44] I would go and I would be very, and I know that it, I would want to do some research about

[00:17:50] how I could go and be respectful and, and enjoy that without, you know, getting into

[00:17:57] a serious social issue.

[00:18:00] Like, you know, like in just showing up loud and American and dumb.

[00:18:04] Right.

[00:18:05] Last thing you want is to get, uh, in some type of civil trouble or some type of legal trouble

[00:18:11] in another country.

[00:18:12] And, oh my God, I am not in my own country.

[00:18:14] Uh-oh.

[00:18:15] What's going to happen?

[00:18:15] So yeah.

[00:18:16] When we talked, he was like, whoa, I never thought about any of that.

[00:18:21] You don't blow my mind.

[00:18:22] And I was like, yeah, dude, you're not your own backyard anymore.

[00:18:26] I was like, and there's a reason why I date a man who basically looks like every race and

[00:18:33] like a walking pit bull.

[00:18:34] Like he, he can lift like 600 pounds and he looks like he can be any race ever.

[00:18:40] I said, he's like my walking like card of entry into anywhere because they won't mess

[00:18:45] with me and be like, oh, you're with him.

[00:18:46] Okay, cool.

[00:18:47] You know, I need that.

[00:18:52] I'm very, I went to Italy and they're like Irish.

[00:18:56] And I was like, I got it in me, but I'm American.

[00:19:00] Right, right.

[00:19:02] But yeah, like they, they just, you know, you don't, in America, you, you go, oh, this

[00:19:07] is a melting pot.

[00:19:08] And we all look a lot of different ways.

[00:19:09] And you, you don't look at somebody and assume they're a different race until they

[00:19:13] open their mouth.

[00:19:14] But when you go to another country where it's like all that race and all that way, and

[00:19:19] you're like, not that.

[00:19:20] Oh, and you stand out.

[00:19:22] Oh, last in some countries, like, uh, years ago, I'd say earlier twenties and actually

[00:19:30] no, it was like mid twenties.

[00:19:31] I was looking into the peace corps and I wanted to help out in Thailand, but it was, if you

[00:19:37] have tattoos, they're going to associate you as a gang member.

[00:19:41] Oh yeah.

[00:19:42] You have to cover them up all the time.

[00:19:44] And that's like a sweltering hot place.

[00:19:47] So, and at the time I didn't have nearly as much tattoos I have now, but it was, I had

[00:19:53] the arm tattoos and it's like, oh, you always have to wear long sleeves.

[00:19:57] I didn't have a hand tattoo at the time, but it was, I would have to conceal all the time.

[00:20:03] So imagine someone who is younger, who gets a face tattoo and then says, oh, I'm just going

[00:20:08] to go somewhere.

[00:20:09] Yeah.

[00:20:09] The first thing I think like, oh, you're a gang member.

[00:20:13] You're a criminal.

[00:20:15] You get shunned by not just the, not just the people there, but the police and other

[00:20:23] administration, the other, uh, administrator.

[00:20:26] That's an awful, awful word to say for it.

[00:20:29] Um, I mean, that's basically it.

[00:20:30] Pretty much.

[00:20:31] Yeah.

[00:20:31] The enforcers.

[00:20:33] They're going to look at it and they're going to be like, oh, you're up to trouble.

[00:20:37] You're up to no good.

[00:20:38] The, you will be monitored and you'll definitely be shunned in society, but maybe even, uh, be

[00:20:46] approached by some very, uh, uncharacterial people that try to do something.

[00:20:53] And then you're in another country and you just committed a crime.

[00:20:57] Uh, that's some serious shit right there.

[00:21:00] Yeah.

[00:21:01] And that's, I just don't think, you know, you're, you're young.

[00:21:04] You don't think about it.

[00:21:05] Um, no, you don't when you're young, you know, there's a whole index of tattoos that

[00:21:10] if you have them and you find yourself in a Russian prison, man, I mean, it's real.

[00:21:15] Like it's bad.

[00:21:16] It's bad.

[00:21:18] So like, yeah, like, like there's, there's just, there's a lot of perspective that you

[00:21:24] gain once you get into things for a while.

[00:21:27] And when you've seen the world and you've seen other people for a while.

[00:21:30] And it's just that like, when I, when I think about young people, I'm like, you just, you

[00:21:34] don't, you don't want to damn yourself before you get started.

[00:21:38] And, you know, you might, it might cloud your entire perspective of other people, because

[00:21:45] like you just said, you know, like if you go to another place and they're automatically

[00:21:49] like assuming something about you culturally, that would be very natural for them.

[00:21:55] You're going to have like a terrible time in that country.

[00:21:58] And it's like, dude, you just robbed yourself the entire ability to see these people purely

[00:22:03] for what they are to learn this from like a very, you know, non-obtrusive way.

[00:22:10] But you, you decided to go balls to the wall right away and just find out everything the

[00:22:16] hard way.

[00:22:17] And now you're not, you know, so, but yeah, that's, that's why I, um, you know, kind of

[00:22:24] my rule is 18, 18 and over, but even that's very young, very, very young.

[00:22:30] The brain hasn't fully developed until I believe you're 25.

[00:22:33] And even then at that young age, you're still making plenty of mistakes.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:38] Oh yeah.

[00:22:39] Yeah.

[00:22:39] I mean, you're not, was it not legally allowed to smoke cigarettes anymore at 18 anymore?

[00:22:46] And I think it's all like 21, but, uh,

[00:22:48] I'm so old.

[00:22:48] I don't even know.

[00:22:49] Yeah.

[00:22:50] I don't remember the new rules or regulations.

[00:22:52] So I'm glad that point where it's like, I just, I've, I've entered the older stage of

[00:22:58] life, but I'm still like in the young, like in prime type of stage, but I'm still like,

[00:23:05] you know, it's getting, you're getting to the older man stage, but I'm cool with it.

[00:23:09] You know, I'm cool.

[00:23:10] 30s are awesome.

[00:23:11] Oh, I love it.

[00:23:13] 30s are awesome.

[00:23:14] I love it.

[00:23:14] Best time of my life, hands down.

[00:23:16] Yep.

[00:23:17] They're pretty awesome.

[00:23:18] I'm, I'm liking 40s too.

[00:23:20] Um, they're not bad.

[00:23:21] I have, I have a lot more eggs.

[00:23:23] Huh?

[00:23:24] I hear that's when everything comes together.

[00:23:27] Or falls apart.

[00:23:28] Or, you know, like, but it's good because, because 40s is where, you know, most people

[00:23:35] kind of think, Oh, I'm, I'm midway, you know, like it's a, it's a quickening that happens.

[00:23:41] Like you, you, I guess people, you know, you, some people go through like a midlife

[00:23:46] crisis.

[00:23:46] I don't think that that's it for me.

[00:23:48] For me, for me, it was more like, you don't have excuses anymore.

[00:23:53] Like, okay.

[00:23:55] There's no excuse.

[00:23:56] And I, I find that very, um, great because you know, you could, you better get busy living

[00:24:04] or get busy dying at 40 because you're, you're on, you're on the other end now.

[00:24:09] But there is a timeline for everyone and, uh, times are ticking.

[00:24:14] Yes.

[00:24:14] And we don't know how much, but right.

[00:24:17] Right.

[00:24:17] Yeah.

[00:24:18] But 40 is definitely like, you're like, all right, I, I now I've, I know enough and people

[00:24:25] know I know enough that I, it's not that you can't mess up.

[00:24:29] It's just that like, you better do so with some grace and some humility, because if you

[00:24:37] don't, Oh, it's going to be bad.

[00:24:40] That's going to be bad.

[00:24:41] I will keep that in mind, but, uh, I do learn from my mistakes now.

[00:24:45] And I think you're going to be fine.

[00:24:47] Oh, I appreciate that.

[00:24:48] Uh, hopefully fingers crossed fingers.

[00:24:50] I mean, I know life, uh, throws curve balls.

[00:24:53] So you just have to go with the punches.

[00:24:55] That's just part of it.

[00:24:56] I mean, you've already stated a few here that are pretty awful.

[00:24:59] I mean, to have, you know, your back messed up like that and then your knee thrown out,

[00:25:05] you know, like those are two major, major hits that not a lot of young people feel, you

[00:25:10] know, you want to hear a funny one.

[00:25:12] Sure.

[00:25:13] So there's, there's two from stupidity.

[00:25:16] And then there's one that was funny.

[00:25:18] My cat was laying in between my arms years ago.

[00:25:22] And, uh, I was just kind of holding him as he was like sleeping.

[00:25:25] I lifted my head in the morning to kiss him.

[00:25:28] And I popped a disc in my neck.

[00:25:30] Oh my God.

[00:25:31] Yeah.

[00:25:32] That was a kind of a funny one.

[00:25:34] Um, it still gives me, uh, some trouble, but you know, it's just, that's part of life

[00:25:39] now too.

[00:25:40] But, uh, the stupid ones though, was when I was an athlete and thinking that I could do

[00:25:46] things that I used to prior to being injured without doing any stretching or warming up

[00:25:53] or even doing it repetitively.

[00:25:55] Like I used to, and I just did them.

[00:25:58] And I tore both my hamstrings doing it.

[00:26:01] I didn't learn from one torn hairs hamstring.

[00:26:04] I had to tear the other one too.

[00:26:06] What were you trying to do?

[00:26:08] Oh, axe kicks.

[00:26:09] And I used to be a skater.

[00:26:12] No, uh, it was a brief for a couple of years.

[00:26:15] I was a martial arts instructor.

[00:26:17] Okay.

[00:26:17] I'm sorry.

[00:26:18] I was able to kick all the way up and all the way down the axe kick all the way up in

[00:26:25] the air.

[00:26:26] But it was, uh, it was, I did some dumb things when I was younger that I could have avoided,

[00:26:35] but like, that's like the, the bowels of the internet for me when people were like, watch

[00:26:40] this.

[00:26:41] And then like somebody's shoulder pops out.

[00:26:42] I'm like, uh, yeah.

[00:26:46] Um, oh yeah, that's, uh, some stupid learning lessons that, you know, and it's, you just have

[00:26:57] to realize your age.

[00:26:58] You have to realize what you can and cannot handle and you aren't what you were at 21.

[00:27:03] So that was a serious, uh, learning lesson, but yeah, I learned the hard way and now I'm

[00:27:10] starting to, uh, I'm starting to think before I act and I'm starting to learn from my lessons.

[00:27:16] So yeah, I like my thirties.

[00:27:17] Cause I'm not, I'm not, uh, I'm not very, uh, foolish anymore.

[00:27:22] I'm still foolish in my own ways.

[00:27:24] We're always going to have something about us that is like, I could be improved, but I

[00:27:28] definitely do not have that side of me anymore.

[00:27:31] That's like, watch this.

[00:27:32] I'm Superman.

[00:27:32] I'm not, but I mean, you still feel that way.

[00:27:36] Sometimes, sometimes you feel, you know, maybe I am.

[00:27:40] And, but I won't, I won't attempt something that could hurt myself anymore.

[00:27:43] You know, I thanked God today.

[00:27:46] This, we have communal prayer at church and one of the prayer that I prayed today.

[00:27:51] Um, cause I have, I have several issues, but one of my issues has been since birth.

[00:27:56] Um, and I prayed today about it because I, you know, like I, it was rough, you know, like you,

[00:28:02] when you're not physically to the level of your peers, uh, in any kind of way, uh, growing up as a kid is rough.

[00:28:11] Cause I, I, I, I, I was born with a underdeveloped hip.

[00:28:19] Um, and so my joints, I don't know for whatever, for whatever reason, like I couldn't walk for a long time as a kid or else I'd get like hip pain that, you know, you feel like when you're 80.

[00:28:32] And, um, I have loose ligaments.

[00:28:35] Uh, so like my ligaments would jump across my kneecaps and stuff like that.

[00:28:40] When I was a kid, if there was too much, you know, tension on them, it's crazy.

[00:28:44] I I'm the time they didn't know how to diagnose it, but I'm fairly certain to have like a, a mild version of EDS, which is Ehlers-Danlos syndrome.

[00:28:53] And then now I just have this whole other thing in my knee, but I prayed today.

[00:28:57] I was like, you know, praise God, because I'm thinking about it and I would have been an, there, there's no way I wouldn't have been such an asshole.

[00:29:10] If, if I hadn't been humbled right away, um, you know, because I'm fairly good when I try at things like I'm fairly good at it.

[00:29:21] But if I had just come out the gate, good at certain things, like if I had been physically good at things, I really think that I would have been stunted, uh, in a big way, uh, to, to things that I had to develop.

[00:29:37] Because I wasn't good at them and cause I couldn't match them.

[00:29:42] And it made me very empathetic to people who didn't, didn't come with a full deck of cards.

[00:29:47] And also it, it made me very calculative very early on about what I could and couldn't do physically.

[00:29:55] And, um, you know, I, I would just look at friends and they would do certain things.

[00:29:59] I'm like, yeah, that's good.

[00:30:00] You do that.

[00:30:01] You do that.

[00:30:02] I'm not, I'm not going to do that.

[00:30:04] And when I would try to do certain things, I was like, like, before I would get hurt, I'm like, Ooh, Nope.

[00:30:11] It was like you and tattooing.

[00:30:13] It was like, uh, I am going to, I'm going to die.

[00:30:18] I'm going to die if I keep doing this.

[00:30:20] Like, so my, my whole, my whole, uh, situation with my body, I think gave me a lot of necessary.

[00:30:26] Um, it humbled me right away.

[00:30:29] And because of that, I think that that has provided for a lot more wisdom going into my,

[00:30:37] in my, you know, later years so that I, I just, you know, I don't get injured like that.

[00:30:45] You know, like the, I just, I just, the other day I got, I got stung by a wasp for the first time.

[00:30:51] And I was like, I hope I'm not, I hope I'm not allergic to this, but I guess we'll see.

[00:30:58] And, and I did my arm like swelled up pretty, pretty big.

[00:31:01] It was a large local, but it was all local.

[00:31:04] I didn't go into anaphylaxis or anything like that, but it was a bitch, man.

[00:31:07] And I was looking at it and I was like, damn, I'm so glad I got stung on my wrist because had this been on my face or on my neck or.

[00:31:15] Oh, it would have been awful.

[00:31:16] And I would have looked awful and that I would have hated.

[00:31:19] Cause I'm very vain, you know, like don't just like anywhere else, but just don't my face, just like leave my face alone.

[00:31:26] Like I can handle it, just leave my face.

[00:31:31] So, um, you know, hopefully I don't have to be humbled that way, but, but, um, yeah, like that, that kind of stuff.

[00:31:38] I'm just like, I, I kind of keep myself measured in a lot of different ways.

[00:31:43] And I I've actually gone to physical therapy for some of my issues and my, uh, physical therapist, she was like, you know, you're actually not that bad.

[00:31:51] And I said, really?

[00:31:52] And she goes, Oh, I deal with kids that are not kids anymore.

[00:31:57] That just wrecked their bodies in sports growing up or any kind of shenanigans they were doing.

[00:32:03] They just push themselves kids so early that they have torn, you know, torn ACLs torn, you know, you know, crazy stuff.

[00:32:11] She's like blown out shoulders and all these different things, like a young ages, just because they were in sports.

[00:32:18] And she's like, you're really not that bad.

[00:32:21] And I was like, really?

[00:32:21] Cause it feels bad.

[00:32:23] And she's not like, well, shit, man.

[00:32:25] Okay.

[00:32:27] So.

[00:32:28] I like, I like what you said though, about how it gave you wisdom for throughout life, because it humbled you and it made you approach things with the level of thinking first.

[00:32:41] Which is something we don't do when we're younger.

[00:32:45] And.

[00:32:47] There is someone, I don't know if it was David Goggins.

[00:32:50] I I'd like to say it's him, but it may not be him.

[00:32:54] But if you compare me at all to David Goggins, I will be so blessed because that man freaks me the fuck out.

[00:32:59] He is so intense.

[00:33:01] I'm like incredible.

[00:33:03] I was ever.

[00:33:07] I would just look at me like, dude, I'm good.

[00:33:09] I'm going to, I choose death.

[00:33:11] Like.

[00:33:12] I'm going to die.

[00:33:13] He saw a doctor after surgery, knee surgery, and they said, you won't be able to continue to do what you normally do.

[00:33:21] And within a few months, he got right back to doing it.

[00:33:23] The will and determination of that man is of a different level, which I respect very much.

[00:33:31] But whoever said this, though, said that the people that are born with natural ability and talent do not appreciate only they hit like a ceiling.

[00:33:41] They get they get they get really good and invest in people, invest themselves in that person because they're like, oh, my God, there's so much potential.

[00:33:49] But they hit a ceiling and then they stop caring or they fall off.

[00:33:53] And that was like me with being an athlete.

[00:33:56] I had a natural ability and I hit a ceiling and there was so there were a handful of people invested in me that it was like there's so much potential, but I fell off.

[00:34:06] But it's the person who didn't have that innate ability, but had the determination drive to just keep going, going, going.

[00:34:14] They break through the ceiling. Yeah. And that's the person that you should really invest in.

[00:34:18] So it's funny that you said that because it gave you that level of wisdom to not do anything stupid, but it also gave you that aspect in life to where you never hit a ceiling.

[00:34:31] You can just keep growing and growing. Right.

[00:34:34] So that's probably the best trait that you could possess.

[00:34:37] Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the other thing is, yeah, not that this is about me, but my dad and since you you found it insightful, a great mentor of mine as my father.

[00:34:48] And he was an athlete, but he was he's like, Amy, I was never good.

[00:34:54] I was never good. I just I like to work out.

[00:34:57] You know, I like to stay in shape and I liked seeing what I could accomplish.

[00:35:02] He was like, you know, I found that the more I did it, the better I got.

[00:35:05] So he kept always resubmitting himself to that kind of stuff and watching him and and noting the fact that it was never about being the best or finishing first or any.

[00:35:19] It was just love of the game, man. Like he just wanted to play and he always was playful.

[00:35:24] He always had that kind of spirit with with us kids.

[00:35:30] You know, he would get really upset if we took it too seriously.

[00:35:33] He's like, dude, this is a game. Relax.

[00:35:37] That's the best attitude to have. Right.

[00:35:39] We're going to play many games and some are you're going to win.

[00:35:42] Some are going to lose. Yeah.

[00:35:44] Character. You know, it's fine.

[00:35:46] You know, like whatever. And then he would help us hone things.

[00:35:48] And he was like, look, if you suck at it, let's get better.

[00:35:51] And just like he would, you know, work with us.

[00:35:53] But but he never like it was never you're going to be the best thing.

[00:35:59] And I went to and even an art, you know, I I was never the best in there.

[00:36:06] I just really loved doing art.

[00:36:08] So for me, it was like, you know, I've always and that's the thing about art, too.

[00:36:15] Like the best artists are ones that can take critique and they can, you know, they take it, they go.

[00:36:21] Yep. And it's like, you know, they have they have that internal critic, critic.

[00:36:25] But then they also like they seek critique in other people and they say, oh, you know, what do you what do you see?

[00:36:31] And then they gather notes and then they take that back and they try to hone.

[00:36:35] And yeah. So back to the drawing board.

[00:36:38] How to better myself for next time.

[00:36:40] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:36:41] Well, what what is is there anything on the horizon that you hope to do?

[00:36:46] I mean, you mentioned the the the Richmond convention, but that you're not doing this time.

[00:36:55] Is there anything that you're you're looking to hone or that's like I'd like to travel more.

[00:36:59] I'd always like to continue to hone my craft.

[00:37:02] Um, but yeah, there's there's things that I believe in short term and long term plans and goals.

[00:37:11] Five year plan is very important, I think, for anyone in life.

[00:37:15] So hitting off check marks and boxes on that is important to me.

[00:37:20] But yeah, I'd like to travel more.

[00:37:23] I'd like to make more friends.

[00:37:24] I'd like to see more places.

[00:37:26] I actually shot my shot with someone who's it was.

[00:37:31] What was it?

[00:37:32] I think it was yesterday, yesterday morning.

[00:37:35] And very prestigious artist.

[00:37:38] And I don't think he would have a problem with me.

[00:37:41] Name job.

[00:37:42] I think he's a sweetheart.

[00:37:43] Tommy Helm.

[00:37:44] Oh, yeah.

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:45] And I just he was doing a live Instagram and he was just answering questions and doing painting and what he's up to with his new shop.

[00:37:54] And I just shot my shot.

[00:37:56] And I was like it was like a two part question.

[00:37:59] Mr. Helm, are you accepting guest spots in your new studio?

[00:38:05] Is I would love to meet you and your team at some point in the future.

[00:38:08] And you said to send a private message and I understand that everybody's busy.

[00:38:15] So, you know, if I don't hear anything back, it was just it was it was sweet to hear.

[00:38:20] Yeah.

[00:38:20] You know, come out even if you don't come out and tattoo, come out and meet us and come out, get tattooed.

[00:38:25] It was just sweet, you know, and I'd like to do more traveling, more interacting.

[00:38:30] I'd like to make more friends.

[00:38:32] I'm always looking to make more friends and more interactions.

[00:38:35] But honing my craft is definitely something that is first and foremost, because I always try to experiment.

[00:38:44] And then sometimes I feel like, well, the experimentation inside my head may be something that I don't want to be doing at the time.

[00:38:57] I want to be doing this and I do something else instead.

[00:39:01] So I'm just kind of trying to stay in my lane and do the best that I can and just surround myself with other like minded people that are sweethearts and just kind, inspirational people and gain from them and better myself.

[00:39:18] And, you know, just see where life takes me.

[00:39:21] This is this is all part of our lives and personal journey.

[00:39:25] And I'm excited, you know.

[00:39:29] Yeah, no, I totally I wanted to make sure it was the person I was thinking about.

[00:39:35] I wanted to look him up real quick.

[00:39:38] You're you're you were talking about Tony Helm.

[00:39:43] I, I believe.

[00:39:47] Oh, that's OK.

[00:39:50] Yes.

[00:39:50] Tony Helm.

[00:39:52] Is this.

[00:39:53] No, Tommy.

[00:39:55] Tommy, I'm sorry.

[00:39:58] See this.

[00:40:01] Tommy Helm.

[00:40:03] Apparently, he said his most.

[00:40:04] This will be his third shop and it's his most prestigious.

[00:40:09] And it's the shop that he is very put and put his most heart.

[00:40:15] Beautiful.

[00:40:16] Very interesting.

[00:40:17] Beautiful work.

[00:40:17] I'm already following him, but wouldn't you know, I'm following so many people.

[00:40:22] Oh, yeah.

[00:40:23] That's just part of our job is following so many people.

[00:40:25] He does gorgeous work.

[00:40:27] Oh, yeah.

[00:40:28] It's gorgeous, gorgeous work.

[00:40:30] One of the most recent ones I saw was that sea turtle.

[00:40:33] And I was like, oh, it's so beautiful.

[00:40:35] His paintings are dope, too.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] Have you seen Halo's paintings?

[00:40:40] Oh, yeah.

[00:40:41] Halo's a buddy.

[00:40:42] He's he's phenomenal.

[00:40:44] He's a sweetheart.

[00:40:45] He is.

[00:40:46] That's someone else I messaged recently just to mention because he mentioned something about

[00:40:52] his board game he's putting together.

[00:40:54] Shout out to Oath to Embers.

[00:40:56] The paintings are incredible.

[00:40:58] But he's he's such a sweetheart.

[00:41:01] And he said something very meaningful to me.

[00:41:03] And I messaged him just to say it was meaningful and gave my own experience of something that

[00:41:09] I've been working on as a side project.

[00:41:12] And he he immediately acknowledged that and that it's a lot of work for what I was doing.

[00:41:18] I was like, wow.

[00:41:19] I was like that.

[00:41:20] That was so sweet and kind.

[00:41:21] You didn't need to.

[00:41:22] You could have just said, oh, thanks, man.

[00:41:24] Like he could have just and I would have been happy with that.

[00:41:27] But if the fact that he just went above and beyond and and took my accomplishment into

[00:41:33] consideration, too, was just like, oh, you're you're such a sweetheart.

[00:41:37] What?

[00:41:37] When can I guess about it?

[00:41:38] Your studio.

[00:41:39] Come on.

[00:41:40] I'm telling you, he's a great person.

[00:41:43] He's a really good person.

[00:41:45] I've never had anything but wonderful encounters with Halo.

[00:41:50] Yeah, he's he's a good guy.

[00:41:53] His I will say like his shop is I'm sure I'm sure he'd have me there, but it's a little

[00:41:59] intimidating to me.

[00:42:00] I'm like, wow, this is a dope place.

[00:42:02] Like, I hope I fit here.

[00:42:03] You know, like like it's just I don't know.

[00:42:05] Like that's fine.

[00:42:06] I'm sure I'd be fine.

[00:42:08] I want to paint with him.

[00:42:09] That's what I want to do first.

[00:42:10] I'm like, let's have an art day.

[00:42:12] I want to buy one of his paintings.

[00:42:14] I want to paint with him.

[00:42:16] I just want to be in the room while he's creating.

[00:42:18] I just think that would be so fun and just watching him and how he creates and what what

[00:42:23] kind of music he has on just really like experimenting with that, because I like how other people,

[00:42:29] you know, kind of craft their their creative life like we did.

[00:42:34] So the thing that I was going to recommend to you as something to look into is the Paradise

[00:42:40] Tattoo events.

[00:42:42] They're really great.

[00:42:43] They're smaller.

[00:42:45] Lots of seminars.

[00:42:46] But but they used to be really they got bigger at a certain point.

[00:42:51] And one of them took us to Mexico and it was this resort hotel that was like it was awesome.

[00:43:00] And they had like three restaurants on the place, but they had invited Alex Gray to come.

[00:43:06] The guy who does the cover of the band Tool and he does all those beautiful like internal.

[00:43:17] Yeah.

[00:43:17] Like and there's paintings of people where you can like see through them and you can see all

[00:43:21] of their energy channels along with all of their veins.

[00:43:24] And he's incredible.

[00:43:26] So he he did this whole we did like a nude modeling kind of thing.

[00:43:34] We didn't get nude, but there is nude models that were yogis and they would take poses and

[00:43:40] he would walk us through the chakras of the body like he was having us meditate on the chakra,

[00:43:46] what the chakra was, the color.

[00:43:48] And then he also made playlists for each chakra and and like led us through this like guided chakra

[00:43:57] nude model sketch kind of experience.

[00:44:00] And it was so cool.

[00:44:02] And it was all these artists together, you know, hearing the same things,

[00:44:06] but like coming out with completely different artwork.

[00:44:09] And it was just pretty magical.

[00:44:10] And then to meet him and his wife, his wife, Allison, is also an artist.

[00:44:15] And, you know, it was a very rare event.

[00:44:19] But that's how the Paradise events are, is they always have just epic, epic artists.

[00:44:26] And they're all like Halo, like, you know, like they're all super good, super sweet, approachable.

[00:44:35] And as it stands right now, they're having them on a mountain.

[00:44:39] So like, it's like this, it's like this, you know, hotel resort that was more expensive to get to.

[00:44:47] But this is on the East Coast.

[00:44:48] It's in Massachusetts.

[00:44:48] And the beautiful thing is like, you're like on a mountain.

[00:44:53] And it's just you guys like you're stuck on a mountain with like these incredible artists

[00:44:58] that you can't like you'd mentioned Canada and Texas,

[00:45:02] like all these people from all over the country are like there.

[00:45:06] And you're just, yeah, you're just stuck on a mountain and there's nowhere else to go.

[00:45:11] So like, and there's, yeah, there's like a pub right next door.

[00:45:14] And like, that's the only place to really get food and like libations.

[00:45:18] So like everybody after the conventions over, everybody congregates in this pub.

[00:45:24] And you have like condo parties, like there's like condos there where it can sleep like eight people.

[00:45:29] So like artists will shack up together.

[00:45:32] They'll have car.

[00:45:33] Like it's, it's amazing.

[00:45:35] It's amazing.

[00:45:36] I go every year.

[00:45:37] I've been going since, well, every year that they've had it for the most part.

[00:45:42] And since 2011 and they're phenomenal.

[00:45:46] They're really great.

[00:45:47] And they offer incredible, incredible seminars.

[00:45:51] Like they usually always have a machine building seminar.

[00:45:54] I don't know if they do this year, but in the past they usually do.

[00:45:59] So you get to build your own machine and get walked through, you know, um, they always

[00:46:04] have like a black and gray seminar.

[00:46:05] They always have, um, and, and they have free ones too.

[00:46:09] Like there's paid ones and there's freed one free ones.

[00:46:12] Um, I'm giving away a free one.

[00:46:15] That's, that's fun.

[00:46:16] So it's, and then there's tattooing.

[00:46:19] So then not only are you there, but you also have the opportunity if the person's not

[00:46:24] booked and it's like, like in a crazy person, like Bob Terrell is just like open.

[00:46:30] Um, anything can happen.

[00:46:31] Like he could be booked all weekend and then his client like gets sick and then cannot get

[00:46:35] tattooed.

[00:46:35] So then you can, you know, like get tattooed by Bob Terrell.

[00:46:38] That's wild.

[00:46:40] That sounds great.

[00:46:41] It's really cool.

[00:46:42] It's a really cool event and it's really not bad.

[00:46:45] And to get to, um, there's still time too.

[00:46:48] You might want to apply for, they have a scholarship fund.

[00:46:51] So if you're feeling like financially, you wouldn't want to swing it.

[00:46:55] Um, you can apply for their scholarship and it's, it's like an all, all paid pass to get

[00:47:01] there.

[00:47:02] Definitely interested.

[00:47:03] I love the information.

[00:47:05] Like once I love the text.

[00:47:08] Send it over.

[00:47:08] Yeah.

[00:47:09] Send it over.

[00:47:09] I'm very much interested.

[00:47:11] Nope.

[00:47:12] It's in October.

[00:47:13] So it's October.

[00:47:14] So you were going to do this other thing in October.

[00:47:16] This is in late October.

[00:47:18] So maybe it'll just replace that and just, uh, right.

[00:47:22] It dude, you meet, you meet, um, uh, uh, Anthony text is going to be there this time.

[00:47:28] Um, which is really cool.

[00:47:30] He's incredible.

[00:47:31] Um, let's see.

[00:47:33] There's just so many great people coming.

[00:47:35] Remiss is coming.

[00:47:37] Um, you're just gonna, I,

[00:47:39] I mean, when I went first,

[00:47:42] I didn't know.

[00:47:43] Like when I went,

[00:47:46] Guy Atchison was still coming and he is like,

[00:47:49] yeah.

[00:47:50] So I had people like Guy Atchison,

[00:47:53] like looking at my paintings and being like,

[00:47:55] Oh,

[00:47:55] your painting's dope.

[00:47:56] And my mentor was like,

[00:47:58] you don't even know who he is.

[00:47:59] Do you?

[00:48:00] And I'm like, Nope,

[00:48:00] but he likes my painting.

[00:48:01] And he's like,

[00:48:02] this is disgusting.

[00:48:03] It's disgusting.

[00:48:04] You don't know who this is.

[00:48:05] And I'm like,

[00:48:06] yeah.

[00:48:06] Yeah.

[00:48:08] He likes my art,

[00:48:09] man.

[00:48:11] That's kind of like at a convention,

[00:48:13] any convention,

[00:48:14] someone walks by and, uh,

[00:48:16] they're just admiring what you're doing.

[00:48:17] You're just saying,

[00:48:18] Oh,

[00:48:18] thank you.

[00:48:18] But then it's like,

[00:48:20] wait,

[00:48:20] they look so familiar.

[00:48:21] Where have I seen that person before?

[00:48:23] And it's like,

[00:48:24] well,

[00:48:25] that person was actually like,

[00:48:26] you have seen that person before via either YouTube or,

[00:48:31] uh,

[00:48:32] TV.

[00:48:33] And I mean that it does happen.

[00:48:35] You're like,

[00:48:36] wait a second.

[00:48:37] Like there's no way.

[00:48:39] And then like you try research,

[00:48:40] you're like,

[00:48:41] Oh my God,

[00:48:42] no way.

[00:48:42] Did they really stop by and like,

[00:48:44] look at what I was doing and say,

[00:48:45] Oh,

[00:48:45] good job.

[00:48:46] It's like,

[00:48:47] Oh,

[00:48:47] I feel so touched.

[00:48:48] Like that's,

[00:48:49] it's heartwarming.

[00:48:50] I mean,

[00:48:51] beyond that,

[00:48:52] just like,

[00:48:53] uh,

[00:48:54] you know,

[00:48:54] like there are people that I know now that I feel are better artists than

[00:48:57] me that have never met these people.

[00:48:59] And they would like die to meet these people.

[00:49:01] And it feels weird for me to know that I've already in some way met them.

[00:49:06] You know,

[00:49:07] I don't know them,

[00:49:08] but I've met them and,

[00:49:10] and it's just baffles my mind because I mean,

[00:49:13] again,

[00:49:13] like I said to you in the beginning,

[00:49:15] I have had the blessing of either really good mentors or just really good

[00:49:20] access.

[00:49:20] I don't know what time and space has just moved so that I can meet these

[00:49:25] people.

[00:49:26] But that's why I do this is because like,

[00:49:29] I just feel like I should let everybody know it's,

[00:49:32] it's all out there for you.

[00:49:34] Like,

[00:49:34] it's really great.

[00:49:35] I don't know why it came to my,

[00:49:36] my ass,

[00:49:37] but it did.

[00:49:38] And so now it's just like,

[00:49:40] you know,

[00:49:41] paying it forward in whatever way I can be like,

[00:49:43] dude,

[00:49:43] I,

[00:49:44] you know,

[00:49:44] I,

[00:49:44] you're really an energy.

[00:49:46] You got to live in abundance.

[00:49:48] You always have to live in abundance.

[00:49:50] And if you live in that attitude,

[00:49:51] just more comes.

[00:49:53] And I,

[00:49:54] I have always felt that way.

[00:49:56] But yeah,

[00:49:57] you should check it out.

[00:49:58] Like definitely apply for the scholarship.

[00:50:00] Um,

[00:50:01] okay.

[00:50:01] See what happens.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:03] Yeah.

[00:50:03] Never know until you try.

[00:50:05] Absolutely.

[00:50:05] But now you know about it and you can plan about it.

[00:50:08] And,

[00:50:09] um,

[00:50:09] yeah,

[00:50:10] you know,

[00:50:10] it's fun.

[00:50:11] I always try to book a condo and I do like to try and bring somebody this year.

[00:50:16] I'm not,

[00:50:16] I'm shacking up with a bunch of people that have already gone,

[00:50:18] but typically I like to bring somebody who's never been.

[00:50:22] So if you're interested and you want to do it next year,

[00:50:25] let me know.

[00:50:26] Yeah,

[00:50:27] definitely.

[00:50:27] Shoot me the info.

[00:50:28] Yeah,

[00:50:29] I will.

[00:50:29] I'm very interested.

[00:50:30] I will.

[00:50:31] It's a,

[00:50:31] it's a great event.

[00:50:32] Um,

[00:50:33] life changing,

[00:50:34] life changing.

[00:50:35] Um,

[00:50:36] they're really,

[00:50:36] really wonderful.

[00:50:37] And they're trying to pick them up again.

[00:50:38] So they have the kind of,

[00:50:40] um,

[00:50:41] austerity that were austere kind of,

[00:50:43] I mean,

[00:50:44] they were big before they became really big.

[00:50:46] Um,

[00:50:47] I've met Teresa sharp through them and,

[00:50:49] you know,

[00:50:50] again,

[00:50:51] I don't mind name dropping because like,

[00:50:52] these are icons in our industry.

[00:50:54] Kelly Doty.

[00:50:55] Yeah.

[00:50:56] Um,

[00:50:56] you know,

[00:50:56] I've sat and had like,

[00:50:58] we getting back to what I had said,

[00:51:00] I just want to paint with halo because I've gotten,

[00:51:04] I've gotten to paint with these people,

[00:51:06] um,

[00:51:07] at paradise events now,

[00:51:08] like they have this whole thing where you do like collaborative drawings together.

[00:51:12] Like everybody takes turns drawing the same thing.

[00:51:15] Like,

[00:51:16] and so you'll follow this,

[00:51:18] you know,

[00:51:18] my boy,

[00:51:19] I think my boyfriend like did a little something on something.

[00:51:22] He's not even an artist.

[00:51:23] They like handed him a stick of charcoal and they're like,

[00:51:25] you go up there and you do it.

[00:51:27] He's like,

[00:51:27] I'm not an artist.

[00:51:28] They're like,

[00:51:28] you are today.

[00:51:30] He's like,

[00:51:31] okay.

[00:51:32] Nice.

[00:51:33] Yeah.

[00:51:34] It's really fun.

[00:51:35] It's very,

[00:51:35] very fun.

[00:51:36] Highly recommend them.

[00:51:38] Um,

[00:51:38] I was fortunate enough that,

[00:51:40] um,

[00:51:41] my studio knew about these events when I started as an apprentice.

[00:51:45] And so I was exposed to them right away,

[00:51:48] had no idea what I was exposed to.

[00:51:51] And there was a lot of things about my apprenticeship that I definitely have to give credit to my mentor and my founding studio,

[00:52:00] because I had,

[00:52:01] I had no idea.

[00:52:02] I had no idea about any of it.

[00:52:04] And they were so,

[00:52:06] they were so nerdy about it.

[00:52:08] Like they wanted to be awesome too,

[00:52:10] of course,

[00:52:11] but they were so in it and they were able to expose me and all this stuff.

[00:52:15] And I was just like,

[00:52:16] whatever,

[00:52:16] man,

[00:52:16] like it's art,

[00:52:17] you know,

[00:52:17] like it's just art,

[00:52:18] you know,

[00:52:19] like it's,

[00:52:19] we're arting.

[00:52:20] And they're like,

[00:52:21] no,

[00:52:21] but like,

[00:52:23] look at this.

[00:52:24] And I don't know,

[00:52:25] you know,

[00:52:26] I was just like,

[00:52:28] cause I had come from art school.

[00:52:29] That was my background.

[00:52:30] Okay.

[00:52:31] Um,

[00:52:31] so a lot of it for me was,

[00:52:34] um,

[00:52:35] like you had mentioned that.

[00:52:37] And we had mentioned in the beginning that whole,

[00:52:39] like you got to work at shitty shops and then less shitty shops.

[00:52:42] Well,

[00:52:42] that was baffling to me because I had come from college and I was a college dropout,

[00:52:48] but in college and even in high school,

[00:52:50] I went to a magnet school for art and you had audition.

[00:52:54] And so like they teach you,

[00:52:56] yeah.

[00:52:56] Like they teach you to make a portfolio and have it be clean and have it be,

[00:53:01] you know,

[00:53:02] very professional.

[00:53:03] And like what you said,

[00:53:04] like you come in and you shake somebody's hand and you make good eye contact and,

[00:53:08] you know,

[00:53:09] you have a good rapport.

[00:53:10] I had all these things.

[00:53:11] It didn't matter.

[00:53:13] Right.

[00:53:13] Not with tattooing.

[00:53:15] Completely different.

[00:53:16] Didn't matter.

[00:53:17] It's like you started the very base.

[00:53:19] Well,

[00:53:20] and,

[00:53:20] and a lot of them were like,

[00:53:21] you know,

[00:53:22] your art's so good that people wouldn't hire you here because you'd be a threat.

[00:53:25] You know,

[00:53:26] like we wouldn't want to teach you.

[00:53:28] Yeah.

[00:53:29] Like you,

[00:53:30] you'd instantly be hated on because you'd be competition.

[00:53:34] Oh,

[00:53:34] that's a shame.

[00:53:35] I think that's.

[00:53:36] It is.

[00:53:37] It is a shame because I would have,

[00:53:39] I would have shared anything I knew.

[00:53:41] Um,

[00:53:42] I would have,

[00:53:42] I would have come off anything I knew.

[00:53:44] Um,

[00:53:45] I do that with as many people as will let me.

[00:53:47] I mean,

[00:53:48] I have more opinions than I have,

[00:53:50] you know,

[00:53:50] an understanding about how,

[00:53:54] how much people hate unsolicited advice.

[00:53:57] I offer it without even thinking that it's,

[00:54:01] you know,

[00:54:01] good.

[00:54:02] Sometimes the best information comes unsolicited.

[00:54:05] Sometimes you can get the best information just given to you.

[00:54:09] As long as you have your ears open and listen.

[00:54:13] Well,

[00:54:13] yeah.

[00:54:13] I mean,

[00:54:14] if,

[00:54:14] if you have humility,

[00:54:15] I guess,

[00:54:16] um,

[00:54:16] I,

[00:54:17] I usually get pissed off first,

[00:54:19] which I expect people to,

[00:54:20] but then I sit on it.

[00:54:22] I'm like,

[00:54:23] they were right.

[00:54:27] Usually I contact them back and I'm like,

[00:54:29] listen,

[00:54:29] I'm sorry.

[00:54:30] It was awful earlier,

[00:54:31] but you really made me mad,

[00:54:32] but I thought about it and you're right.

[00:54:34] You're right.

[00:54:35] My old mentor is definitely he's,

[00:54:37] he's somebody I can look up to.

[00:54:39] In many ways,

[00:54:40] when it comes to tattooing,

[00:54:41] he always wants to see my progress.

[00:54:44] He always wants to see what I'm doing.

[00:54:46] He wants to give me free stuff all the time.

[00:54:48] He's a,

[00:54:49] he's a real sweetheart,

[00:54:50] but he always wants to give me knowledge too.

[00:54:52] And I,

[00:54:53] we do,

[00:54:54] uh,

[00:54:55] art slightly differently,

[00:54:56] but it all,

[00:54:58] as long as it's,

[00:54:59] the end result is the same.

[00:55:01] As long as a good tattoo is achieved,

[00:55:04] then good job.

[00:55:06] Everybody wins.

[00:55:07] But,

[00:55:08] uh,

[00:55:09] that's very like by the books and by,

[00:55:12] this is how things are done.

[00:55:14] And,

[00:55:15] he's,

[00:55:15] he's very,

[00:55:16] he's very traditional in that aspect,

[00:55:19] but he has such a level of knowledge in such a love.

[00:55:24] And he's just a teacher at heart.

[00:55:25] He just loves to impart.

[00:55:27] You should let him know.

[00:55:29] I'll send you over the materials,

[00:55:30] but let him know about paradise too,

[00:55:32] because he might not know about them.

[00:55:34] And,

[00:55:34] uh,

[00:55:36] he,

[00:55:36] he might be at a platform now where he might want to teach.

[00:55:40] And he might,

[00:55:41] cause they,

[00:55:41] they look for instructors too.

[00:55:43] They look for people who want to give seminars.

[00:55:45] We want to do that.

[00:55:46] So,

[00:55:47] um,

[00:55:48] it sounds like you both might want to go for different reasons.

[00:55:52] Um,

[00:55:53] but it might be an opportunity for him to really,

[00:55:55] um,

[00:55:57] take what he knows and deliver that to the next generation and do it on a much more mass scale than just one-on-one with any individual.

[00:56:05] Um,

[00:56:06] because like I said,

[00:56:07] they try to have a machine builder,

[00:56:09] for example,

[00:56:10] or any,

[00:56:11] anybody like that.

[00:56:12] So it depends on what kind of knowledge he wants to,

[00:56:15] but I would,

[00:56:16] I would love to like have a soldering class,

[00:56:19] you know,

[00:56:19] like let's get real old school.

[00:56:20] Soldering needles.

[00:56:22] Ooh.

[00:56:22] Yeah.

[00:56:22] I tried that one time.

[00:56:24] Oh my God.

[00:56:25] That was,

[00:56:26] uh,

[00:56:26] Oh,

[00:56:27] what an experience that was.

[00:56:28] And I'm dropping pins all over the place.

[00:56:31] Yeah.

[00:56:33] Oh my God.

[00:56:34] Yeah.

[00:56:34] Or like,

[00:56:35] you know,

[00:56:35] just,

[00:56:35] just any of those things,

[00:56:37] like a very in-depth pigment miss mixing class or,

[00:56:40] you know,

[00:56:40] like just any of those really,

[00:56:43] or,

[00:56:43] or a stick and poke class,

[00:56:45] like a legit stick and poke class where like,

[00:56:47] that's what they do.

[00:56:48] That's how they do it.

[00:56:49] And I just think that those would be really great,

[00:56:52] um,

[00:56:52] seminars and they would be,

[00:56:53] they would be busy.

[00:56:55] Um,

[00:56:55] because people are trying to not only,

[00:56:59] um,

[00:57:00] hone the skills that they have,

[00:57:01] but they're also trying to collect skills.

[00:57:03] They can,

[00:57:04] you know,

[00:57:05] one and can be just like another thing,

[00:57:07] you know,

[00:57:08] that they do that,

[00:57:09] that adds value to what they do and how they do it.

[00:57:12] Like,

[00:57:13] I remember,

[00:57:13] um,

[00:57:14] Jeff Gogway was talking about how he knows how to do all that stuff.

[00:57:19] And he just,

[00:57:19] he'll come in early and he'll literally make the needles that he's about to use on the clients as he's going into them.

[00:57:28] He'll autoclave them and they'll come out and he's like,

[00:57:31] look what I made for us today.

[00:57:33] And he's like,

[00:57:34] you know,

[00:57:35] that,

[00:57:36] that's a whole level of value that not a lot of people can add to the tattoo that they do.

[00:57:42] He's like,

[00:57:43] these,

[00:57:43] these tattoo needles were made specifically for the tattoo.

[00:57:46] I know we're about to do and I've inspected them.

[00:57:50] I know what they're going to do.

[00:57:51] I,

[00:57:51] you know,

[00:57:52] like I made it.

[00:57:53] And so that's like a,

[00:57:54] you know,

[00:57:55] that's pretty cool.

[00:57:56] Yeah.

[00:57:56] It's a different level of knowledge.

[00:57:58] One,

[00:57:59] it's going to be what is necessary to compete in this atmosphere right now,

[00:58:02] where,

[00:58:03] as you said,

[00:58:04] the tools are very accessible and,

[00:58:06] you know,

[00:58:07] you have YouTube videos,

[00:58:08] you have people who are trying to teach themselves.

[00:58:11] There's a whole style that's founded on ignorance.

[00:58:15] So in order for you to be competitive in all of that,

[00:58:20] you're going to have to like,

[00:58:22] you're going to have to find some things that really level you up in ways that not the average person

[00:58:28] has.

[00:58:28] And I'm telling it paradise is where it's at.

[00:58:31] Okay.

[00:58:32] Okay.

[00:58:33] Yeah.

[00:58:34] Yep.

[00:58:35] Yeah.

[00:58:35] It'll blow your mind.

[00:58:37] I'll definitely do my research because that,

[00:58:40] uh,

[00:58:41] that I had an old coworker who talked about,

[00:58:43] uh,

[00:58:44] doing,

[00:58:44] uh,

[00:58:45] seminars that he wanted to get involved with.

[00:58:47] And,

[00:58:48] uh,

[00:58:48] Oh,

[00:58:48] his work is fantastic.

[00:58:50] It is some of the best black and gray I've seen,

[00:58:52] uh,

[00:58:53] in such a sweetheart of a person.

[00:58:56] definitely,

[00:58:56] uh,

[00:58:57] anybody who,

[00:58:58] uh,

[00:58:58] checks it,

[00:58:59] checks it,

[00:58:59] check out a third child tattoo or,

[00:59:02] uh,

[00:59:02] his Instagram is incredible.

[00:59:05] And he's such a,

[00:59:07] such a sweet guy.

[00:59:08] And,

[00:59:09] uh,

[00:59:09] my other coworker,

[00:59:11] he's a sweetheart too.

[00:59:12] He does good black and gray too.

[00:59:14] Uh,

[00:59:15] I believe it beans tattoos or beans tattooer.

[00:59:18] Um,

[00:59:19] I love it.

[00:59:20] Yeah.

[00:59:21] Sweet people,

[00:59:22] but they talk about,

[00:59:23] uh,

[00:59:24] seminars and stuff like that.

[00:59:26] And always just the gaining of knowledge.

[00:59:28] Yeah.

[00:59:28] Knowledge is power and knowledge.

[00:59:31] The wisdom that you have takes you in life where you need to go.

[00:59:35] Well,

[00:59:36] and that's the other thing.

[00:59:36] If you have a whole studio,

[00:59:38] like definitely put the bug in their ear,

[00:59:40] be like,

[00:59:40] guys,

[00:59:41] let's go Legion.

[00:59:42] Like,

[00:59:42] let's get a condo.

[00:59:43] Let's do this.

[00:59:44] Like it'd be fun,

[00:59:45] you know?

[00:59:45] And it always happens.

[00:59:47] They always have them at least right now,

[00:59:49] right around like Halloween.

[00:59:50] So it's really beautiful.

[00:59:52] Um,

[00:59:53] there's like a haunted,

[00:59:55] like maze that they have at,

[00:59:57] at the location,

[00:59:58] which is awesome.

[00:59:59] So it brings a lot of people in.

[01:00:01] Um,

[01:00:02] and I just,

[01:00:03] I absolutely love my boyfriend,

[01:00:05] my,

[01:00:05] my fiance.

[01:00:07] Um,

[01:00:07] he loves it.

[01:00:08] Like he always loves it.

[01:00:10] That's kind of like our vacation.

[01:00:11] He's just like,

[01:00:12] babe,

[01:00:12] I'm so excited.

[01:00:13] I get to,

[01:00:14] you know,

[01:00:14] I get to hike the mountain and he goes off hiking and,

[01:00:17] um,

[01:00:18] you know,

[01:00:18] like does all this stuff.

[01:00:19] Like he loves it.

[01:00:20] He loves the little pub that's there.

[01:00:22] Yeah.

[01:00:23] And he loves the artists and they love him too.

[01:00:26] What's great is I bring him and he's not an artist,

[01:00:30] but he is a hunter.

[01:00:32] He is,

[01:00:33] you know,

[01:00:33] a man that works with his hands.

[01:00:34] His family owns a 40 year old pizzeria.

[01:00:37] So he,

[01:00:38] he gets down with people and all the other things.

[01:00:41] Like I believe him and,

[01:00:43] uh,

[01:00:44] Andy chambers were talking about,

[01:00:46] like,

[01:00:46] I think he told me that they were trying to,

[01:00:47] they were talking about picking up women at home Depot or something.

[01:00:50] It's just like this random boy conversation that you can like,

[01:00:55] but it's great.

[01:00:56] And I love that,

[01:00:57] you know,

[01:00:58] everybody's mingling like that and you get to meet people.

[01:01:00] On a very human level.

[01:01:01] Um,

[01:01:02] and that's what it's like.

[01:01:03] It's really,

[01:01:04] really cool.

[01:01:04] It should be.

[01:01:05] The industry really should be is we're all part of a team and we should all

[01:01:10] really be friends and collectively help each other.

[01:01:14] That's,

[01:01:14] that's how the industry should be.

[01:01:17] And I love hearing that whenever there is somewhere where that is,

[01:01:22] where everybody is doing that,

[01:01:24] that,

[01:01:24] that sounds like it's a tribe,

[01:01:27] that tribe of people.

[01:01:29] And you know what?

[01:01:30] We're all part of the same tribe.

[01:01:32] Uh,

[01:01:34] I'm,

[01:01:34] I apologize.

[01:01:36] Um,

[01:01:37] I may have to,

[01:01:39] yeah,

[01:01:40] we're getting,

[01:01:40] oh yeah,

[01:01:41] the cat wants to run and hide the closet.

[01:01:43] That's fine.

[01:01:44] We've been talking for a long time.

[01:01:46] Yeah.

[01:01:46] And we might have to,

[01:01:47] uh,

[01:01:48] cut things.

[01:01:49] I don't know how much longer.

[01:01:50] It's not,

[01:01:51] it's not cutting it short.

[01:01:52] We've talked for a while.

[01:01:54] So let's,

[01:01:55] um,

[01:01:56] the last thing I want to ask you is what's best ways for people to get in

[01:02:00] contact with you in order to work with you.

[01:02:02] Sure.

[01:02:03] And then closing notes.

[01:02:05] Okay.

[01:02:06] Um,

[01:02:06] my,

[01:02:07] I'm going to just,

[01:02:07] once I,

[01:02:08] I apologize,

[01:02:09] I'm going to the door so the cat can hide in the closet.

[01:02:12] She's freaking out.

[01:02:13] That's so funny.

[01:02:14] No problem.

[01:02:20] Huh?

[01:02:22] We all going to have our hiding spaces.

[01:02:25] Yup.

[01:02:25] Yup.

[01:02:26] But,

[01:02:26] uh,

[01:02:26] the best way to get in contact with me is my Instagram donkey Kong tattoos.

[01:02:32] Okay.

[01:02:32] Um,

[01:02:34] I believe just send a message on a messenger.

[01:02:39] That's a good way to get in contact.

[01:02:41] Um,

[01:02:42] I usually,

[01:02:43] uh,

[01:02:43] like doing my consultations in person,

[01:02:45] but now that I know about zoom,

[01:02:47] I can make that work too,

[01:02:49] which is wonderful.

[01:02:50] Um,

[01:02:51] but yeah,

[01:02:52] the Instagram is a good way to do it.

[01:02:54] And for anyone in particular,

[01:02:56] just check out my work,

[01:02:57] see if you vibe with the work,

[01:02:59] see if you like the style that I do.

[01:03:02] And of course,

[01:03:03] if there's something that you're looking for that I don't do,

[01:03:07] there's other people at our shop that they do specialize in that,

[01:03:11] and we can accommodate all levels of tattooing.

[01:03:15] What's a,

[01:03:15] is it iconic tattoo is the,

[01:03:17] the Instagram.

[01:03:19] Um,

[01:03:20] my no tattoo icons is the shop Instagram.

[01:03:23] Oh,

[01:03:23] okay.

[01:03:24] Tattoo icons.

[01:03:25] Mine is a donkey Kong tattoos.

[01:03:27] Okay.

[01:03:27] I just wanted to put both out there so they could look at both of you.

[01:03:30] Thank you so much.

[01:03:31] Yeah.

[01:03:31] Yeah.

[01:03:32] Yeah.

[01:03:32] Of course.

[01:03:33] And then is there anything that you want to say in closing?

[01:03:36] Any,

[01:03:36] any words of wisdom or advice?

[01:03:38] Cause we can do this again,

[01:03:39] you know,

[01:03:39] I'd love to,

[01:03:41] I would absolutely love to.

[01:03:42] Yes.

[01:03:43] Let's please revisit this at another point in time.

[01:03:45] Um,

[01:03:47] all I can say is if anybody is looking to become a tattoo artist or looking to

[01:03:52] get into this,

[01:03:53] um,

[01:03:54] patience,

[01:03:55] do not be discouraged.

[01:03:57] And yes,

[01:03:58] you're,

[01:03:58] you're going to have to go through some,

[01:04:00] some hardships,

[01:04:01] some struggles.

[01:04:02] Um,

[01:04:02] it does happen where you are only as good as your most recent work.

[01:04:08] And you know what?

[01:04:09] There's a lot of ups and downs,

[01:04:11] but you got to stay,

[01:04:12] you got to get back on the horse.

[01:04:14] And also it's,

[01:04:16] uh,

[01:04:16] it's you versus you,

[01:04:17] you know,

[01:04:18] that problem that I've had has been me versus who else is better.

[01:04:24] Me trying to be on,

[01:04:26] to be like someone else.

[01:04:28] And it almost takes away from your own character.

[01:04:32] It almost takes away from your own identity.

[01:04:34] So you being true to you and you versus you is the best.

[01:04:39] That you can do for yourself.

[01:04:41] And it also,

[01:04:41] uh,

[01:04:42] leaves you with your own dignity.

[01:04:44] You can still be friends with everyone else,

[01:04:46] but you know,

[01:04:47] be you.

[01:04:48] That's,

[01:04:48] that's the most important thing.

[01:04:50] I think I could say to people,

[01:04:52] there is a right and wrong way to tattoo.

[01:04:55] Absolutely.

[01:04:55] And we can go through that for hours,

[01:04:57] but,

[01:04:57] um,

[01:04:59] so,

[01:05:00] but as far as tattooing goes and being,

[01:05:03] uh,

[01:05:04] unique in the industry,

[01:05:05] just be yourself,

[01:05:07] you know,

[01:05:07] and,

[01:05:07] uh,

[01:05:08] stay true to yourself and,

[01:05:10] you know,

[01:05:11] be a good person.

[01:05:12] That's a good person.

[01:05:14] And,

[01:05:14] uh,

[01:05:15] yeah,

[01:05:16] just have patience.

[01:05:17] Everything comes to those who put the time and work in and to people who,

[01:05:22] uh,

[01:05:22] all good things come to those who are patient weight,

[01:05:24] but also gotta be a go getter.

[01:05:27] So that's,

[01:05:28] they go hand in hand.

[01:05:29] Yes.

[01:05:30] Great closing.

[01:05:31] Thank you so much,

[01:05:32] Kevin,

[01:05:33] your blessing.

[01:05:34] And I'm very honored to have come across you.

[01:05:37] We'll have,

[01:05:38] we'll have so much more in the future.

[01:05:41] you know,

[01:05:41] God willing,

[01:05:42] I make it,

[01:05:43] you know,

[01:05:43] like you never know,

[01:05:44] but hopefully he'll keep me around and we'll have many years.

[01:05:47] And,

[01:05:48] um,

[01:05:48] we definitely should do this again.

[01:05:50] Thank you so much.

[01:05:50] I look forward to our next encounter.

[01:05:52] This has been amazing.

[01:05:54] Oh yeah,

[01:05:54] man.

[01:05:55] Well,

[01:05:55] you have a blessed night and,

[01:05:56] um,

[01:05:57] I'll keep in touch.

[01:05:58] Thank you so much.

[01:06:00] Alrighty,

[01:06:00] my friend.

[01:06:01] All right.

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